Will the SDA church "Fall"?

[miz3]

Gustave; just keep in mind that it actually is not true that Adventists think The Roman Catholic Church wants to torture them. We do believe that the Roman Catholic Church wants to rule the roost; and that she wont take no for an answer.

Self portrait overaged? It looks exactly like you. I know many SDA who look exactly like that.

Could SDA actually be the beast power of Revelation?

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Self portrait overaged? It looks exactly like you. I know many SDA who look exactly like that.

Could SDA actually be the beast power of Revelation?

Feelin a little cranky this morning are you?

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: miz3

Self portrait overaged? It looks exactly like you. I know many SDA who look exactly like that.

Could SDA actually be the beast power of Revelation?

Feelin a little cranky this morning are you?

No I feel like I accidentally stumbled into the wacko room.

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No I feel like I accidentally stumbled into the wacko room.

Welcome Friend

(you think Im crazy now - just wait till the sedatives wear off)

(and where did I put my Thorazine?)

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Self portrait overaged? It looks exactly like you. I know many SDA who look exactly like that.

Could SDA actually be the beast power of Revelation? /quote]Feelin a little cranky this morning are you? /quote]

No I feel like I accidentally stumbled into the wacko room.

I have been watching george Knight on It Is Written this morning. He was saying how he saw a bumper sticker on a guy's car...(must have been your car) and when he got closer; this is what it said...(you have to be quick to catch this)...

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: miz3

No I feel like I accidentally stumbled into the wacko room.

Welcome Friend

(you think Im crazy now - just wait till the sedatives wear off)

(and where did I put my Thorazine?)

I like this one. This is the best one yet.

[Overaged]

LOL; good! You aren't so bad to us "real" Adventists....keep up with the challenging questions. God has answers for them all.

[Lysimachus]

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Prophecy tells us the law will have the popular support of most of the people in the United States. It won't be imposed on an unwilling people. They will ask the government to make such a law. It shows that the US will change, no longer having a clear separation between church and state.

This is not Biblical. However it comes from the pages of Ellen White.

Regardless, if such a scenario would become reality then we will see who belongs to God and who isn't. That is all there is too it.

Why do SDA want to scare people into the Church?

You can blame JN Andrews. Not Ellen White. She only later amplified these original predictions. JN Andrews was the first to discover that the Lamb-Like Beast would cause all the world to worship the first beast before it, and it would be brought about by the popular support.

The things that are happening around the world are only revealing that what JN Andrews discovered in Revelation is happening before our very eyes. And if you can dare look at the news and not see that these writings are occurring in the EXACT manner predicted by JN Andrews, Uriah Smith, and Ellen White, then you have chosen to be willfully blind. Even after the Sunday Law passes and you see true Seventh-Day Adventists being persecuted for their beliefs, you will most likely STILL find some way to rationalize it away and explain it away that somehow it's not really happening as was foretold, so therefore they cannot be on God's side.

I only pray that when that day comes, you will be willing to lay down your pride--because the more you keep resisting, the harder it will become for you to accept that these predictions were true all along.

[miz3]

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Prophecy tells us the law will have the popular support of most of the people in the United States. It won't be imposed on an unwilling people. They will ask the government to make such a law. It shows that the US will change, no longer having a clear separation between church and state.

This is not Biblical. However it comes from the pages of Ellen White.

Regardless, if such a scenario would become reality then we will see who belongs to God and who isn't. That is all there is too it.

Why do SDA want to scare people into the Church?

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If these prophecies of JN Andrews, Ellen White, and Uriah Smith are so accurate and so very current then we must be talking about an extremely short time. Just how long from now do you estimate we are from the Sunday Law and the Mark of the Beast? Surely if you believe that these prophecies are this precise then you ought to be able to give me a reasonable estimate. Can you do it?

The prophet of the Lord gives us a reasonable estimate:

"The final movements will be rapid ones..." 9T pg 11

You won't even have time - correction, NONE OF US WILL EVEN HAVE TIME to form our next argument.

That's why the essence of the Advent Message urges people to stay ready; not to "get ready."

[John317]

If these prophecies of JN Andrews, Ellen White, and Uriah Smith are so accurate and so very current then we must be talking about an extremely short time. Just how long from now do you estimate we are from the Sunday Law and the Mark of the Beast? Surely if you believe that these prophecies are this precise then you ought to be able to give me a reasonable estimate. Can you do it?

There's no time limit attached to the Bible's prophecies about these topics.

God is not waiting on time; He's waiting for people to be prepared for His coming, and He's waiting for the gospel to go to the entire world. All of these things have to do with people whom God loves making up their minds whether to serve Him. See 2 Peter 3: 9-15 below.

There's a sealing and a preparation that must take place before Christ returns:

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Rev. 7:3

saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."

And:

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Rev. 19:7-9

Let us rejoice and exult

and give him the glory,

for the marriage of the Lamb has come,

and his Bride has made herself ready;

[8] it was granted her to clothe herself

with fine linen, bright and pure"—

for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

[9] And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God."

NOTE: When God sees that the church is ready for Christ's coming, He will tell the angels to stop holding the winds, and then the events we're talking about-- such as the Sunday laws and terrible persecution-- will take place.

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2 Peter 3:9-15

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. [10] But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

[11] Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, [12] waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! [13] But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

[14] Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. [15] And count the patience of our Lord as salvation...

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The best reference to "time" for these prophecies is not when; but how. "The final movements will be rapid ones." 9t 11

[John317]

I agree that the church will not and does not fall, but I have always took that to be in the message! The established body governing the church may become apostate, but as long as there is this small band of believers who refuse to compromise, God's remnant people will keep this message alive in their hearts and on the Earth.

Prov. 10:30; The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. (KJV)

I think you're right, Alchemy. When Ellen White writes that the church does not fall, she is not speaking of individuals or of institutions but of the message that will go through to the second coming of Christ. There will be many apostacies, even some who appeared to be the brightest lights, but the movement that began in 1844/1862 will go through to the very end.

[John317]

[John317]

When the Sunday law hits the Adventist church folks will be forced to make very rapid decisions. Some decide this, others that. This will not appear to be any different than any other day of the week, or any other Sabbath. Life goes on, people buying, selling, building, doing yard work. Just another Sabbath morning when you go to church. No signs of any miraculous events taking place, everything seems perfectly normal.

So you get to church, on time and what do you find? A virtually empty parking lot. Do you have the keys to unlock the doors of the church? Perhaps those who normally open the church have not come, you think they might be late. But in fact, they aren't coming. What will you do? Break in? Hold your service as best you can in the parking lot? It will be very confusing at best. Perhaps you will start making cell phone calls and slowly the truth will dawn, the people aren't coming! You look around, the husband is here, but his wife isn't. The wife is here, but her husband isn't. Families have been split. Where is the Pastor? The Head Elder? The Secretary? Those with KEYS! Not here.

The events will happen very quickly, the church is disappearing, there are only a few left. Very soon after this great calamities will begin. Ever more Adventist will make their decision to leave. Some to protect their jobs, or their Social Securtity check or that investment that provides income. The HAVE to feed their family after all. Some husbands won't leave their wives and children. Some children will be forced to take a stand against their parents. While great calamities are falling all over the world, for the most part, life goes on. Just another day in the life... You will get hungry, but cannot buy food without that special government issued card. Your debit card doesn't work anymore, because you didn't sign that new agreement and get your "mark". How will you pay the bills? How will you heat the house? How will you provide for your family?

THIS is a time of very personal testing, you WILL stand alone. Your church has abandoned you, your family has taken a stand you must chose between them and your religion. You are not allowed to drive the family car, your cell phone is broken, sabatoged perhaps. Your children are pleading for you to unite with them and stop this foolish religion. You walk/hitch hike to church for Wednesday night prayer meeting or on Sabbath. There are even fewer now than last time.

Your conviction grows stronger, you will NOT turn your back on God, no matter what. Your decision is made, you WILL stay with the church regardless of the outcome. You are at once, incredibly sad, deeply afflicated of soul, torn between two worlds. Fearful of your own spiritual condition. You stand alone, every earthly support has been withdrawn. What do you do? Snap out of it! You quit looking to self, to people, you look only to God, so clearly now as never before your only hope. You realize NOW is the time you must give the final warning to anyone who will listen. You go right to work, for the Lord, to carry this message, with power.

And they start to come, strangers for the most part, but filled with the love of God. They will have to learn much in a very short time, meetings are quickly organized to teach and instruct. The once empty church begins to fill, with folks who barely know the routine of a typical Sabbath service. With them, you search the scriptures as if your life depended on it, because it does!

All around you the calamities increase to amazing proportions. Open air meetings are being held in town. Sponsored by your Pastor and other former leaders of the church, urging Adventists to stop this foolishness and support Sunday worship. For God and for country. To save the planet, to save your family, to receive your income, your "mark". Meanwhile, folks continue to do business, buy and sell, build and trade, just another day in the life for them... They will watch the lastest fire, earth quake, world calamity on CNN, if the TV still works.

Wonderfully written, Club, and all so true.

[John317]

This Vatican campaign lays the groundwork for the coming Sunday Law

Originally Posted By: miz3

SDA have been saying this since 1844.

Please show your evidence that Seventh-day Adventists have been saying this since 1844. For instance, show evidence that SDA said it between 1844 and 1855.

What SDAs have always said is that Christ is coming soon. Don't you believe it?

[Lysimachus]

I remember just a few years ago, you hardly heard anything about much "Sunday Law" talk within official documents, or official news articles.

Since 2008, Sunday Law agitation has sky-rocketed like I've never seen before. I mean, it's not just some "rumor" anymore, it's like right on the official EU pages! www.EuropeanSundayAlliance.eu !!!

When were there websites like this before? Not until the last few recent years. These are definitely signs to tell us to wake up! While these laws being discussed are under the garb of "protecting Sunday", not "enforcing Sunday", can't people see that these are just "baby steps" toward something much bigger? They're trying to get their foot in the door gently, softly, and unnoticeably, so that finally one day when a REAL Sunday Law is enforced, it won't be such a shocker to the public.

[phkrause]

If these prophecies of JN Andrews, Ellen White, and Uriah Smith are so accurate and so very current then we must be talking about an extremely short time. Just how long from now do you estimate we are from the Sunday Law and the Mark of the Beast? Surely if you believe that these prophecies are this precise then you ought to be able to give me a reasonable estimate. Can you do it?

If we sit around waiting for these prophecies to be fulfilled and die before they are, than what?? A lot of wasted time is what I'm seeing. Sad, very sad.

[ClubV12]

Very important to keep that thought foremost at all times phk, thanks for bringing it back up. We know not the day or hour,,,, of our own demise.