A Must Read Letter That Just Came In To Me

[joeb]

After reading this entire thread Paul's advice is even more to the point. Who are we to believe? The word of God. There will always be those advocating one thing or another, condemning one thing or another. The only path of safety for any of us is to be so thoroughly grounded in the word of God, and so open to the Holy Spirit's leading, that we will recognize deception no matter how it is presented.

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Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

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Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[Gibs]

We must believe the Word of God and be led of His Spirit and all that do and He dwells within have the True Christian Unity and this must be especially of who are ahead of the teaching of the peoples.

Before Jesus Christ could send out the disciples they had to receive the Holy Spirit and it then was the best unity that ever was from their time on as ones came in with things not of the Holy Spirit. Regardless there will be tares grow up as Satan has planted those seeds.

The only thing is that if the tares get in the teaching role then the tares increase rapidly as that is the seed sown. When these are the majority in the teaching roll then soon there is but a few plants of the precious "wheat".

This where we must be discerning as in Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

When they are not and cannot be stopped what are we to do? To stay with it one is asking to be taken in as the errors that come in are so close to the truth that after awhile one becomes docile and is satisfied with it.

With Him dwelling within a red flag pops up and we need to take heed and allow Him to guide us in a safe way.

The letter passed to me is such a warning and I admonish all to read it and consider asking Him to give eyes to see and ears to hear as He would have us.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[John317]

"At one time during the July sermon, he referred to Ellen G. White as a mystic and suggested that we should be reading from outside sources."

Question - does this mean you should only be reading Ellen G. White ? Where does this EGW worship end ?

No, the pastor didn't mean that we should ONLY be reading Ellen G. White. The pastor is wrong in what he's teaching, but he's not wrong to recommend that people read her.

There is NO EGW worship.

Do you worship Paul or Peter or Moses?

Just because you accept someone such as Paul as an inspired writer doesn't mean you worship him, right?

The same applies to Ellen White. She was an inspired writer-- a genuine prophet-- in the same way that any of the Bible prophets were inspired. (I'm not claiming Ellen White is on a par with the Bible. I'm merely saying she was equally inspired by God.) We worship the God of the universe who inspired the prophets--- we don't worship the prophets themselves.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: BibleOnly

"At one time during the July sermon, he referred to Ellen G. White as a mystic and suggested that we should be reading from outside sources."

Question - does this mean you should only be reading Ellen G. White ? Where does this EGW worship end ?

No, the pastor didn't mean that we should ONLY be reading Ellen G. White. The pastor is wrong in what he's teaching, but he's not wrong to recommend that people read her.

There is NO EGW worship.

Do you worship Paul or Peter or Moses?

Just because you accept someone such as Paul as an inspired writer doesn't mean you worship him, right?

The same applies to Ellen White. She was an inspired writer-- a genuine prophet-- in the same way that any of the Bible prophets were inspired. (I'm not claiming Ellen White is on a par with the Bible. I'm merely saying she was equally inspired by God.) We worship the God of the universe who inspired the prophets--- we don't worship the prophets themselves.

Excellent point John

[John317]

Thanks very much for posting this letter. I wonder what the response was from Folkenberg, Max Torkelson II, Dan Jackson, and Ted Wilson.

If this letter is correct about what is being taught at Walla Walla by Pastor Alex Bryan and Associate Pastor, Emily M. Flottmann, about "Spiritual Formation," I find it very alarming. The World Church needs to take notice.

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My message to you is: No longer consent to listen without protest to the perversion of truth.& nbsp; Unmask the pretentious sophistries which, if received, will lead ministers and physicians and medical missionary workers to ignore the truth. Everyone is now to stand on his guard. God calls men and women to take their stand under the blood-stained banner of Prince Emanuel. I have been instructed to warn our people, for many are in danger of receiving theories and sophistries that undermine the foundation pillars of the faith…Satan with his seductive influence has stolen away saints. Brilliant, sparking ideas often flash from a mind that is influenced by the great deceiver. Those who listen and acquiesce will become charmed, as Eve was charmed by the serpent’s words. They cannot listen to charming philosophical speculations, and at the same time keep the word of the living God clearly in mind. (1 SM)

[Gibs]

John317,

From what I've gathered Ted W. knows about it and has been working on it but to what sucesss I haven't learned of the progress. It is a hopeful sign. He needs all he can to back him up and be with him on all he can to bring in reform on.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[John317]

I'm grateful for the posting of that info, Gibs, but I don't see it as a reason to leave the SDA church. I believe it's only a fulfillment of prophecy and one more sign that Christ's return is not far off. Our duty to God and to one another at this time is to stay faithful to what we know is the truth.

[Gibs]

John317,

You and I do see some things different and my view of what is the Remnant church differs from yours no doubt.

I do stay faithful to the truth which is Jesus Christ and His Word, have become one in Him and my will totally is to do only His will in all things.

We are definitley living in times to be solidly connected in Him or we are not safe. That is our only hope and safe refuge.

We work to keep one another awake and on the path.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

I'm grateful for the posting of that info, Gibs, but I don't see it as a reason to leave the SDA church. I believe it's only a fulfillment of prophecy and one more sign that Christ's return is not far off. Our duty to God and to one another at this time is to stay faithful to what we know is the truth.

[M. T. Cross]

I was going to read that letter....

Kinda lost me in the first paragraph

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It is true that we are asleep in the Laodicean Church, that many of us long for a more vibrant, living relationship with the Lord. It is true that a head knowledge of Biblical doctrines is not enough to sustain us. Religion has to get down into the heart.

Thats awesome. Everyone should want a more vibrant living relationship with their God.

So go have one!!!!! If you want one, go to Jesus or whatever and build one!

A 2000 word essay on how others are doing things so wrong seems pretty counter productive to that goal...

Just sayin.......

[Overaged]

I was going to read that letter....

Kinda lost me in the first paragraph

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It is true that we are asleep in the Laodicean Church, that many of us long for a more vibrant, living relationship with the Lord. It is true that a head knowledge of Biblical doctrines is not enough to sustain us. Religion has to get down into the heart.

Thats awesome. Everyone should want a more vibrant living relationship with their God.

So go have one!!!!! If you want one, go to Jesus or whatever and build one!

A 2000 word essay on how others are doing things so wrong seems pretty counter productive to that goal...

Just sayin.......

Yes! What EC said!

[M. T. Cross]

Yes! What EC said!

I sometimes have some gems - don't tell anyone tho

[Overaged]

LOL; I won't.

[Neil D]

Gibs,

this is the only thing that I could find that I agree with you...

Hamilton,

The positive and sure way is to follow the Holy Word .

But the rest of the "stuff" in your letter contradicts every good impression I had of Pastor at Walla Walla....Not to say that I actually know the man, but I do know people there who do know him...and he has a good reputation among the church membership there...And I know good church members within that community....

Your letter amounts to the preaching of fear, not love...at least discontentment...And whoever is pushing this is not following biblical counsel of taking another with them to confront what the pastor says....

This is nothing more thaan rumor, and I will do what others should have done...deny it validity and demand evidence outside the letter....

all you have is accusations, of which the devil is very good at making...to cause us to fear...What we need is love, not fear....

I suggest that this letter is faux. That at the very least, the accusations are groundless...

And your association of this doesnt help with the letter...'

[Gibs]

Hamilton,

Ted Wilson is on to it so it isn't hot air and it is in all the worldly churches now and some of the others are fighting it too. Just do your part to take it out or if you don't think it has come in yet then help to keep it out.

My Bro. it has come in, it is common knowledge in this area.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

Hamilton,

Ted Wilson is on to it so it isn't hot air and it is in all the worldly churches now and some of the others are fighting it too. Just do your part to take it out or if you don't think it has come in yet then help to keep it out.

My Bro. it has come in, it is common knowledge in this area.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

What has come in?

Provide us exact proof.

The so called "letter" you posted has no proof. Only accusations and paranoia. Absolutely nothing proven and you treat it like fact. Where does your Bible tell you to do that.

[M. T. Cross]

Hamilton,

Ted Wilson is on to it so it isn't hot air and it is in all the worldly churches now and some of the others are fighting it too. Just do your part to take it out or if you don't think it has come in yet then help to keep it out.

My Bro. it has come in, it is common knowledge in this area.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

All that evil is penetrating your ranks OA.

Other things to worry about would be scientific knowledge and phycological knowledge. Next thing you know, people will understand how the Divine and science actually can work together, and they will understand that things like, oh say, mental health issues is not the Devil plaguing people but a simple chemical imbalance that can be treated with a pill

Its the Jesuits and the Illuminati my friend, not to mention the Masons and us evil pagans that come to your websites and question stuff.

It is not official Adventist teachings that say various mental health issues we see today are "the devil." That kind of thinking comes from another source.

It is an Adventist teaching that science and the divine can and do work together. As you noted; problems do happen when one wishes to polarize them.

As to the Jesuits, Illuminati and Masons thing, people have fallen into the socialized habit of giving them such amazing credit and power; I cannot fathom how any of these 3 idiot groups can possibly be a threat to anyone who is sincere about wanting to know and follow truth. History already shows how these 3 groups send a fearful chill down the spines of many; yet, no one, including Gibs or yourself can seem to manage specific proof of what they are doing or with whom.

For eg, the charges Gibs has drummed up here. No proof of anything is offered. Only the BIG LETTER and I would ask anyone reading this to please show me the specific evidence in this letter that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that what Gibs is accusing the church of is actually happening at Walla Walla, or anywhere else.

Hey; and btw my friend; and we are always going to be friends inspite of disagreements, (I hope), if you class yourself as one of those "evil pagans;" I have one question for you.

What makes us any better than you?

[Overaged]

BTW; all the questions these 3 groups may come here to ask, are most welcome, in my eyes. To me, they are an opportunity in work clothes.

[M. T. Cross]

Originally Posted By: EmptyCross

All that evil is penetrating your ranks OA.

Other things to worry about would be scientific knowledge and phycological knowledge. Next thing you know, people will understand how the Divine and science actually can work together, and they will understand that things like, oh say, mental health issues is not the Devil plaguing people but a simple chemical imbalance that can be treated with a pill

Its the Jesuits and the Illuminati my friend, not to mention the Masons and us evil pagans that come to your websites and question stuff.

It is not official Adventist teachings that say various mental health issues we see today are "the devil." That kind of thinking comes from another source.

It is an Adventist teaching that science and the divine can and do work together. As you noted; problems do happen when one wishes to polarize them.

As to the Jesuits, Illuminati and Masons thing, people have fallen into the socialized habit of giving them such amazing credit and power; I cannot fathom how any of these 3 idiot groups can possibly be a threat to anyone who is sincere about wanting to know and follow truth. History already shows how these 3 groups send a fearful chill down the spines of many; yet, no one, including Gibs or yourself can seem to manage specific proof of what they are doing or with whom.

For eg, the charges Gibs has drummed up here. No proof of anything is offered. Only the BIG LETTER and I would ask anyone reading this to please show me the specific evidence in this letter that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that what Gibs is accusing the church of is actually happening at Walla Walla, or anywhere else.

Hey; and btw my friend; and we are always going to be friends inspite of disagreements, (I hope), if you class yourself as one of those "evil pagans;" I have one question for you.

What makes us any better than you?

I'm not sure if you caught the sarcastic tone of my post.

I agree 100%

But the tone of the letter reminds me of people that think that way. It paranoid and destructive. It reeks of people that have those attitudes about mental illness, it reeks of the type of people that give those 3 groups the mythical power they supposedly wield.

As far as being one of those "evil pagans" - I would fall into that catagory because of my beliefs. But I say it tongue in cheek because I don't self indentify as anything but a guy that is seeking knowledge, wisdom, and trying to bring light to my own life and others.

My belief is that no one is better than anyone. Sometimes some people just make better choices than others.

[Gibs]

I don't see why some don't see that these things have in as some at the very top know of it and at date I don't know what if anything is accomplished yet to dispell it. I hope it will be done but I do have serious doubts. The three churches near me at least some know of it in each but all are not concerned as all should be.

Each has a voice and freedom to use it. Waiting and watching for the details.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Why some don't see it your way, Gib's, is that were looking a little higher than the garbage pile. :)

[M. T. Cross]

I don't see why some don't see that these things have in as some at the very top know of it and at date I don't know what if anything is accomplished yet to dispell it. I hope it will be done but I do have serious doubts. The three churches near me at least some know of it in each but all are not concerned as all should be.

Each has a voice and freedom to use it. Waiting and watching for the details.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Could be that they are just too consumed with getting on with the business of worshipping their God and LIVING the life they are inspired to live through that worship. That might take up the majority of the time they could be using to find conspiracies and paranoia

[Overaged]

I'm not sure if you caught the sarcastic tone of my post.

I agree 100%

But the tone of the letter reminds me of people that think that way. It paranoid and destructive. It reeks of people that have those attitudes about mental illness, it reeks of the type of people that give those 3 groups the mythical power they supposedly wield.

As far as being one of those "evil pagans" - I would fall into that catagory because of my beliefs. But I say it tongue in cheek because I don't self indentify as anything but a guy that is seeking knowledge, wisdom, and trying to bring light to my own life and others.

My belief is that no one is better than anyone. Sometimes some people just make better choices than others.

[Overaged]

I don't see why some don't see that these things have in as some at the very top know of it and at date I don't know what if anything is accomplished yet to dispell it. I hope it will be done but I do have serious doubts. The three churches near me at least some know of it in each but all are not concerned as all should be.

Each has a voice and freedom to use it. Waiting and watching for the details.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gibs; is there some reason you are refusing to post clear evidence of this stuff going on at Walla Walla, or that other church? If the letter you referred us to is the only evidence; then your case has failed totally.