Increased Light? On What?

[skyblue888]

Tom, that was funny

Dr. Rich, may be the following will shed some light on the subject of Babylon and Babylon the Great.

While the devil is marshalling his forces, the Lord is also preparing His. It is a sad picture wherein the armies of the Lord cause many delays by their failure to measure up to the standards the Lord requires and generations pass away before the Lord finally has the army prepared.

For this reason the four winds of strife are held in check until this preparation is complete and then will be released the powers of heaven and earth for this last great conflict between the beast and his image on the one hand, and the armies of the living God on the other hand. This will be the final and the finishing conflict which will ring down the curtain on this earth's history and usher in the glorious second coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

It is a conflict in which everyone of us is going to be involved should we live the short period of time until it comes, whether we like it or not. In this conflict every man, woman and child is going to have to take a stand on the one side or the other. There will be no neutrals then. The very force of the pressures of the great controversy will demand this to be so, and each must and will have to give his answer the one way or the other. Therefore, the subject of that conflict must be one which is of vital interest to all who live upon the earth at this time.

The issues in this warfare are spiritual, but this is not to say that the weapons of force are not going to be employed by those who are accustomed to gaining their ends by these means. But on the side of the Lord, the weapons will be spiritual and not carnal, and God, through His faithful few, will resist the powers of darkness by the proclamation of a mighty and a powerful message, which message is contained in the first part of Revelation 18.

Please Dr. Rich, stay tune. The next posts will deal with the difference between Babylon and Babylon the Great.

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[skyblue888]

As we are interested in the order of last day events here, let us look at this Scripture from that point of view.

Considerable light is thrown on the matter by comparing it with a very similar message which is found in Revelaltion 14:8. This is the message of the second angel, "preached in the summer of 1844," Great Controversy, 389.

Its proclamation followed the sounding forth of the first angel's message which went before it. As a result of the rejection of that message, "The churches then experienced a moral fall in consequence of their refusal of the light of the Advent Message." Ibid, 389.

But note this point with care, it is a simple fact of history that that message could not go until it could be proclaimed as present truth in very truth. God does not lie in His messages. They speak the truth, so therefore, when He sends a message that Babylon is fallen, then that message does not come until Babylon is fallen.

This then brings us to the point where we can compare with profit the second angel's message of Revelation 14:8, and the message of the angel of Revelation 18:1-4. At first they may seem to be identical but there is a very vital difference and it is this, the second angel announces that Babylon is fallen, while the fourth angel announces that Babylon The Great is fallen. It is very much in order here to raise the question as to what difference there is between Babylon and Babylon The Great.

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[skyblue888]

Babylon is the Bible name given to apostate and corrupt forms of religion at war with God, just as the term "Israel" is the identifying name given to the loyal and true people of God. And, in the New Testament period through to the coming of Christ, these two, Babylon and Israel, uphold respectively the same principles, evil and righteousness, as were held by the Babylon and the Israel of the Old Testament.

We well understand that the Papacy and ancient Rome, held the principles of Babylon and in unrigheousness warred against God and His truth in the person of His saints. But they were not the Babylon which fell in 1844. The Babylon which fell at that time was the Protestant Churches to whom God had sent the light of truth and who flatly refused to receive that truth.

It follows then that if the term BABYLON applies to A PART OF THE WHOLE, then the term BABYLON THE GREAT must apply to THE WHOLE OF THAT MIGHTY KINGDOM. In other words, as we look at a part of the kingdom, we can truthfully say that this is BABYLON, but when we look at the whole of that mighty confederacy of evil against the Lord of Heaven, we can only say, this is BABYLON THE GREAT.

The message of the angel of Revelation 18 is concerned with Babylon the Great and announces that she is fallen. Therefore, in the light of the above facts in regard to the message of the first and second angel's messages, it is evident that that message cannot and will not go under God's direction and leadership, until the fact of it is accomplished and it can be stated in very truth that Babylon the Great is fallen.

This immediately raises the question as to whether this is already present truth or is it a situation yet to be reached. There are always those who run ahead of the Lord, and it is needful that we test their claims by the word of the living God.

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[skyblue888]

We learn from the book The Great Controversy page 603, that that message was still future at the time of the writing of this last edition in 1911. After quoting the scripture from Revelation 18:1-4, the text goes on to say,

"This Scripture points forward to a time when the announcement of the fall of Babylon, as made by the second angel of Revelation 14, is to be repeated with the additional mention of the corruptions which have been entering the various organizations that constitute Babylon, since that message was first given in the summer of 1844."

The time referred to in the above statement is not a moment of time but a period of time. It is the period of time, as yet of unknown length, during which the message goes forward announcing the fall of Babylon the Great and calling on the true people of God to come out of her. It was still future at the time of the writing of the above, but for how long in the future?

Inasmuch as we know that there will never be another message based on definite time, (7 BC 971) then we cannot expect that we shall be informed anywhere of the exact date, but we can expect to be told of the exact conditions which will bring Babylon the Great to the place where the message can go forth in truth that she is fallen.

Let us then begin to trace the evidence telling this to us. On the very next page to that quoted above we read,

"Of Babylon, at the time brought to view in this prophecy, it is declared, 'Her sins have reached unto heaven and God hath remembered her iniquities.' She has filled up the measures of her guilt and destruction is about to fall upon her. But God still has a people in Babylon; and before the visitation of His judgments, these faithful ones must be called out that they 'partake not of her sins and receive none of her plagues.'"

The time brought to view in this prophecy is the time when the message goes forth that Babylon the Great is fallen. It is therefore also the time when the condition will have been reached when the sins of Babylon have reached as high as heaven and she will have filled up the measure of her guilt. There is coming a time when the whole of Babylon in one vast confederacy will have come to the place where they will have reached the limit of rebellion against the God of Heaven.

And we are able to ascertain from the prophetic word just what event will bring them to the place where their sins will have reached unto heaven.

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[skyblue888]

Here are two statements, which, when read together give us the information we are seeking.

In the first one you will read that the law of God is to be made void when the Sunday law is passed. This is the time of the setting up of the image of the Beast as we learned earlier in this series.

Then the second statement tells us that the sins of the world will have reached unto heaven when the law of God is made void.

Those words then tell us as plainly as it ever could be told that the point of time when Babylon the Great is finally fallen is that point of time when the law of God is made void in the land by the enforcement of the Sunday law, by which act they fill up the measure of their guilt and their sins will reach unto Heaven above. Read the truth of it in these statements:

"A time is coming when the law of God is, in a special sense, to be made void in the land. The rulers of our nation will, by legistative enactments, enforce the Sunday law, and thus God's people will be brought into great peril. When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land; and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin." RH Dec.18, 1888.

"The sins of the world will have reached unto heaven when the law of God is made void, when the Sabbath of the Lord is trampled in the dust, and men are compelled to accept in its stead an institution of the papacy through the strong hand of the law of the land. In exalting an institution of man above the institution ordained of God, they show contempt for the great Lawgiver, and refuse His sign or seal." RH Nov.5, 1899.

In addition to the above there is also the statement from Testimonies Volume 5:451, where the same truth is expressed as follows,

"By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness."

To disconnect one's self from righteousness is to come where one can go no further in departing from the living God. This is to fill up the measure of iniquity and guilt and to have one's sins reach unto heaven itself. And when will this be accomplished? It will be accomplished by the making of the decree which will enforce the worship of the institution of the Papacy which we know to be the enforcement of the Sunday law.

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[Gibs]

Here is the start of an ignored prophecy that needs aired out, and more light shined upon it.

Re 11:1 ¶ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Re 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Re 11:3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Is the Temple or true Church of God "measured" up yet? I think not, but do know it is close to it, then notice then who is given more time. Those outside the camp!

And a question, who do you think is going to do this work of the two witnesses?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Lysimachus]

One could say that the Papacy is the "core" or "heart" of Babylon, but Babylon has many outer-circles, and these outer circles include Israel, fallen Protestantism, and wordly-living, and the world's worldly wisemen and corrupt leaders. Anyone who falls within any of the outer circles becomes "Babylon", or at least a "part of Babylon". Babylon is an all-encompassing theme that has multiplicity in its applications.

The Harlot Woman we know is the Papacy, decked in gold and full of scarlet and purple. She is also called "that great city", sitting on the Euphrates River. What sat on the Euphrates River? The city of Babylon! But, did the "kingdom of Babylon" only consist of the city of Babylon, or did it also incorporate other cities that the kingdom of Babylon had throughout their empire? Absolutely. The Papacy is the "heart" of Babylon. The "core".

How do we know this?

It is a direct successor of the original Babylon, by inheriting its pagan attributes.

The pagan attributes of Babylon were handed down to Persia, and likewise from Persia to Greece, and likewise from Greece to Pagan Rome, and likewise from Pagan Rome to Christianity which created the Papacy, a fusion of Babylonianism and Christianity.

This is precisely why the Beast of Revelation 13 is represented as a composite beast of the 4 beasts depicted in Daniel 7, but going backwards.

This Beast is the Papacy, and this is precisely why this Beast has 7 heads, as it is a Beast that has inherited all the pagan philosophies and attributes of its predecessors.

[Gibs]

It is not the Papacy that has seven heads and ten horns, the only ones depicted by scripture to have them all is Satan and His NWO beast which is his "image" beast, also having 7 heads and 10 hornes now with the crowns,first 10 verses of Rev 13:. The Papacy is but one of the heads and it is the sixth that came up.

You'll not sell that interpretation to me. It won't sail because it don't meet the scriptures.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Tom Wetmore]

Tom, that was funny ...

Quite serious, actually.

One does not have to go far to find ample evidence of it.

[skyblue888]

One could say that the Papacy is the "core" or "heart" of Babylon, but Babylon has many outer-circles, and these outer circles include Israel, fallen Protestantism, and wordly-living, and the world's worldly wisemen and corrupt leaders. Anyone who falls within any of the outer circles becomes "Babylon", or at least a "part of Babylon". Babylon is an all-encompassing theme that has multiplicity in its applications.

The Harlot Woman we know is the Papacy, decked in gold and full of scarlet and purple. She is also called "that great city", sitting on the Euphrates River. What sat on the Euphrates River? The city of Babylon! But, did the "kingdom of Babylon" only consist of the city of Babylon, or did it also incorporate other cities that the kingdom of Babylon had throughout their empire? Absolutely. The Papacy is the "heart" of Babylon. The "core".

How do we know this?

It is a direct successor of the original Babylon, by inheriting its pagan attributes.

The pagan attributes of Babylon were handed down to Persia, and likewise from Persia to Greece, and likewise from Greece to Pagan Rome, and likewise from Pagan Rome to Christianity which created the Papacy, a fusion of Babylonianism and Christianity.

This is precisely why the Beast of Revelation 13 is represented as a composite beast of the 4 beasts depicted in Daniel 7, but going backwards.

This Beast is the Papacy, and this is precisely why this Beast has 7 heads, as it is a Beast that has inherited all the pagan philosophies and attributes of its predecessors.

Right on!

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[Lysimachus]

It is not the Papacy that has seven heads and ten horns, the only ones depicted by scripture to have them all is Satan and His NWO beast which is his "image" beast, also having 7 heads and 10 hornes now with the crowns,first 10 verses of Rev 13:. The Papacy is but one of the heads and it is the sixth that came up.

You'll not sell that interpretation to me. It won't sail because it don't meet the scriptures.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

In this article, I document how the 7-headed beast and the Harlot Woman are one and the same. Except it just represents "two-aspects", or "two-characteristics" of this unified Antichrist force.

Louis F. Were, who had perspicacious insight and was a very spiritual man who understood prophetic principles far more than most today, established sound reasoning how they are one and the same. I documented some of Louis F. Were's quotes in this article here:

The Whore of Babylon and the Antichrist Beast Power - One and the Same?

I recommend his book: The Woman and the Beast in the Book of Revelation - by Louis F. Were.

Also, there is a new book that I recommend by Edwin de Kock. It is entitled "Seven Heads and Ten Horns in Daniel and the Revelation" (2011). You can read how to purchase it in digital format here. Now while I'm not saying I agree with de Kock's conclusions, I'm emphasizing the importance of reading it so that students of prophecy can at least CONSIDER his arguments and grapple them.

• Seven Heads and Ten Horns in Daniel and the Revelation (2011) looks penetratingly at the woman Babylon depicted in Rev. 17. She rides a Beast with seven heads and ten horns, the identity of which has so far eluded all Historicist prophetic interpreters. Amongst other things, this work examines nine interpretations by Seventh-day Adventist writers, showing that these unfortunately fail to solve the mystery of Rev. 17:10 and related Scriptures. It presents a brand new Historicist explanation and resolves a number of awkward problems concerning the beasts and horns described in Dan. 8.

Now Gibs, listen to me. Just listen to me for a second. Notice how I am taking into consideration these various interpretations. That's how you should be. But with you, NO! You get "hung up", and "ultra-dogmatic" on your positions, and you are determined not to budge. You are determined not to reconsider your positions. I beg you to reconsider your approach to studying Bible prophecy, and make up your mind to quit being so dogmatic, and give other interpretations candid thought and ponder upon them, and don't be so quick to disqualify them. If you want be a true student of prophecy, heed these counsels. Heed these suggestions, and quit being so forceful with your futuristic agendas. I beg of you.

In closing, I will state that I cannot buy your notion that the Beast attacks and destroys the Harlot Woman who is riding it. Reason being is that the Beast that the Harlot rides in Revelation 17:16 does not attack the Harlot. Only the ten horns turn against the Harlot and make her desolate. And we know that these ten horns are separate empires that rose up out of Roman territory. Just like the horns that grew out of Goat were separate kingdoms from the Goat.

I would encourage you, Gibs, that if you want to really grapple the hard-research put into these other interpretations, other than your Futurist version, that you show some willingness to invest some of your money in purchasing these other works. I spent my money on Edwin de Kock's hard work of many years. Now you can too.

It is very tempting to not want to spend our money on books that hold to interpretations that we disagree with.

Upon such temptation, I implore you to wholly resist. Spend your money on books that you disagree with. That is, if you want to treat these precious subjects of God's Holy Writ with fairness and true open-mindedness.

[Gibs]

Lys,

The reason I can't go with your view and many more is the scripture don't uphold it. It is very plain but people refuse to look and discern for them selves. No Lys. I'm not a gonna budge. We are about done with the prophecy fulfilling now and I've seen it played out exactly as I've seen it. And I know what is coming.

You see, I've listened to a different Orator,

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Lysimachus]

Lys,

The reason I can't go with your view and many more is the scripture don't uphold it. It is very plain but people refuse to look and discern for them selves. No Lys. I'm not a gonna budge. We are about done with the prophecy fulfilling now and I've seen it played out exactly as I've seen it. And I know what is coming.

You see, I've listened to a different Orator,

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

It's not about the "scriptures don't uphold it". It's about re-evaluating your interpretation that the scriptures don't uphold it. You need to be open-minded, and learn that many have gone before you, and that many other bright-minds have alternative interpretations to Revelation 13.

When you say, "I'm not gonna budge", you are saying, "My mental ability to interpret these passages is superior to yours".

Is this the position a true Christian should take?

[Gibs]

Lys,

I don't feel bad because many do not see what I do and you must not feel bad because I don't see your view. Hey on the mental ability since neither of us'uns'll budge we both are ----- What?, Naw, I don't think that way.

These kind of differences are minor compared to the Savation issue, that one must be gotten right, no if's and an's about it. This one I press as I'm driven to do so. By whom? Well I let any and all decide on that, I make no claims.

The important issue is underlined below to what is the fruit of getting it right.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world

[skyblue888]

Our course of study has now established for us from the prophetic word that the time when the fall of Babylon The Great becomes an established fact, is that point of time when the churches secure the power of the state in the United States of America to enforce the decrees and the dogmas of the church. The decree which will be the special subject of such enforcement will be the one concerning the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for which there is no scriptural authority whatsoever.

We have seen that this truth is so plainly taught that none need to err in the knowing of it. This thing is coming exactly as prophesied and not one of us can stop it, for the powers that be in church and state are determined upon it, and they will have it as fast as they can gain the opportunity. At any time anyone may find some doubt creeping into the mind in regard to this, then let that one read again the words of Revelation 13:11-18.

So much is stated in the Word of God about this thing appearing in Christendom, and, at the same time from the human point of view, it seems so impossible for this thing to appear among the so-called non-Christian nations, that it is necessary for us to consider this question at this stage of our study, as to how extensive this thing will be in the world in the end.

That is to say, in the restoration of the Beast to power with the establishment of the Image of the Beast, how much of the world is involved? Does this thing appear only in Christendom or does it extend to the non-Christian nations as well? Will Russia, China and the Mohammedan world also set up an image to the Beast in their countries and enforce the Sunday as an act of homage to the Papacy as will be done in the Christian world?

Set the Word of God aside and look at the world scene and how swiftly would we declare that it could never happen in such lands as India, China, Arabia and Russia. Look at the manifest hostility, scorn and even open hatred revealed in these nations toward the Christian religion in the world today. So utterly are they opposed to the western nations, who have been losing prestige and standing before them, that one could harldy believe that they ever could or would do homage to the Papacy!

But God sees not as man sees and He knows better than we, the forces which are even now at work in these vast dominions and powers of the earth. God sees and understands long before it even appears that which we neither see nor understand when it is right here with us. But, in His great mercy He has not kept selfishly to Himself that which He has seen and understood of that which we should know for our best good. Plainly He has revealed these things to us in the Word of truth. Ever in the past we have found every such prophetic utterance to be absolutely true and reliable, and from this we can know that in every prophecy as yet unfulfilled, there is the same absolute truth and reliability. When the God of Heaven tells us that it is going to be so, then we just simply know that that is exactly how it is going to be.

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[skyblue888]

So we take our unaided eyes off the confusing and discordant world scene, and look instead upon the Word of God and ask the grave question which is before us and in that Word we shall find that nothing less than the whole world will give its allegiance to the Papacy.

Every nation, kindred, tongue and people on the face of the whole globe will do this and nothing else. It matters not that witness of sight and circumstances may deny this at the time when this is written. The fact is that the Lord has said that it will be so and therefore that is how it will be. God has spoken, and it is only a matter of time before that which He has spoken will most certainly be fulfilled.

Let us turn to the prophetic word and see the truth of it written there. In Revelation 13:8, after reading of the restoration of the Papacy to power comes this statement, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

In this verse are brought to view two classes. There are those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life, and obviously they are the ones who serve God in spirit and in truth in every nation, kindred, tongue and people. These are the only exceptions given. All the rest of those who dwell on the earth shall worship the beast. In that day we are going to be among the one or the other of those two classes whether we like it or not. Either we shall be among those who have their names written in the book of life and therefore have the power to resist the power of the beast and his image or we shall be worshippers of that beast and his image.

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[Kevin H]

The Papacy was only a part of the 5th head and will play a role in the 7th head. It is NOT the beast as a whole. The 7th head, according to revelation 17 ends up being ridden by the woman, but is not the woman itself, and the beast it self, when it falls the first ones to complain are the merchants of the earth with their long list of expensive goods from all over the world (to have such a list you need to apperently bring world peace first, then those who did not go along with the system will be blamed, and every character will have been fully developed into the character of Jesus or the character of Satan). We are seeing this world peace formining with the international corporate cartels, the banking system, the Bilderberger group, the federal reserve, the counsel of forigen affairs (all basicay the same people in these groups: Also notice I did NOT say Illuminati. These groups are out in the open, but I don't see enough evience to believe in the Illuminati or the conspiricy theories. you don't need these theories when there is so much open and above board) The Papacy is the moral voice playing a role in this developing system.

Too many Adventists are going to join the system because the pope won't be in the center of it and they will be looking for the pope to be in the center. And while there will be some thing with Sunday that wil briefly catch our attention, we will probably end up dismissing it because it will come and go without fulfilling our expectation.

[skyblue888]

How this will be is made plain from previous verses in the chapter. In verse 4, it is evident that a situation arises wherein the beast is able to make such a display of power as to intimidate the rest of the world to the place where they say, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

This is but another way of saying that the beast is too powerful to give anyone the slightest hope of victory in any contest with such a power as he. And so it is then that "power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations," verse 7, as a result of which all who dwell upon the earth shall worship him willingly or unwillingly except for those whose names are written in the book of life.

We look upon the world today and we see that the nations of the earth are divided in their attitude to the papal power with the larger proportion of the earth's people in positive open hostility to the Papacy, and we ask as to how it could be that such could come to the place where they would worship this potentate.

But when we look upon that scene as it is today and draw the conclusions we do, we do it without realizing that our conclusion is dependent upon our holding a certain concept as to what worship is. We naturally think of worship as being a willing thing; of being something that is given because we want to give it. Without a doubt this must be true so far as the worship of the true God is concerned, for it is the only kind of worship acceptable to Him, but it is not true so far as the worship of the Beast and his image is concerned. This is a worship which is forced from the worshiper because the power of the potentate is of such magnitude as to command that worship whether the person desires to give it or not.

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[skyblue888]

For every truth in the New Testament there is a type in the Old and the type of the enforcing of the Sunday worship on the part of modern Babylon is to be found in the enforcement of the worship of the golden image on the plains of Dura in the days of King Nebuchadnezzar.

Nebuchadnezzar was the pope of that day and he it was who called the people of every nation to the worship of his golden image. In Revelation 13, we read that the death penalty hangs over the head of all those who do not worship the Beast and his image. This is but the antitype of the type found in the days of king Nebuchadnezzar, for he threatened with death all those who refused to bow down before the golden image. As it was then so it will be again before probation for the human family closes.

At that time there were gathered the rulers of the people of all the nations of the whole world over which Babylon then had the power. And every one of them was required to worship the power of Babylon under pain of death. Knowing well the spirit of rebellion which dwells in the hearts of the conquered, we can know that many of those who bowed that day bowed, not because they had a mind to worship the golden image, the symbol of the power of Babylon, but because they had a mind not to go in the burning fiery furnace.

They wowshipped it is true, but not because of any love for Babylon, but because of fear of her power, and because they were so held in the grip of her power that they had no choice but to obey or to perish. That which has been will be.

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[skyblue888]

Therefore the hatred which these nations possess for the Papacy and the western world which protects and fosters the Papacy is not evidence at all in the case for not believing that the papacy will gain the worship of the whole world. She will do it because she will obtain the power to do it. A situation will develop through the power of spiritualism and the power of the United States under the leadership of Apostate Protestantism, which will give back to the Papacy the supremacy of the world.

On the plains of Dura there were two classes of people before that image and two only. They were the people of the whole world who bowed before the image and there were the faithful few, only three in number, who had no fear of the power of Babylon and whose names were written in the book of life. These alone did not bow before that image, and so it will be again. But a faithful few will know the power of God, and thus will be able to stand against the power of Babylon the Great.

It is the third angel who gives the specific warning against receiving the mark in his forehead or in his hand. To whom does he give this warning? The answer must be to those who are in danger of doing the very thing against which this warning is given. It therefore must be that the angel will go wherever the people of the earth are in peril of this thing.

If there is no danger to any particular people from this peril, then he will not take the specific warning against the beast and his image to them, but another warning to cover the particular peril in which they stood. That is to say, if, in the last days, Russia, India, China, and Iran, were not going to worship the beast and his image, then there would be no point in warning them against something with which they would never be faced. Therefore, the third angel would not go to them.

But the third angel does go to them. This is made certain by the word of the prophecy which states that "The third angel followed them," that is, the other two angels. Of the first of the other two it is specifically stated that he goes to "every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people," with his message. Therefore, if the third angel follows him, it can only be that he too takes his message to every nation, and warns every such people of their danger of woshipping the beast and his image. This can only mean that the beast shall be worshipped by people of every nation, kindred and tongue, otherwise the warning would not go to every such people. If there was to be another test to the people of other lands then a different angel would carry a different warning to them.

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[phkrause]

Excellent posts sky, and this is very evident today, the papacy has been gaining popularidy(sp) for many years now. They had there hand in getting rid of the wall in Germany. Now they are making there case for a day of rest, a day that all should take time for there families, to get back to moral values, etc. All good things in themselves, and will suggest that all agree and what country will help to get them to comply?

[skyblue888]

Yeahh, the US, of course, under the leadership of Apostate Protestantism.

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[phkrause]

Yeahh, the US, of course, under the leadership of Apostate Protestantism.

sky

So sky would you say that "Apostate Protestantism" will include SDAs? I'm smiling as I ask this. :)

[skyblue888]

"The professed Protestant world will form a confederacy with the man of sin, and the church and the world will be in corrupt harmony. Here the great crisis is coming upon the world. The scriptures teach that popery is to regain its lost supremacy, and that the fires of persecution will be rekindled through the timeserving concessions of the so-called Protestant world." GCB April 13,1891.

This is how the wound is going to be healed, not without the help of Apostate Protestantism. This is still in the making.

"What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath." Letter 232,1899.

Not until Protestantism falsely so-called gives its power and authority to the beast will her wound be healed. Only then will she regain her lost supremacy. And then the fires of persecution will be rekindled and history will be repeated.

It is true that in the days of Mrs. White the Catholic church in the US was growing in heaps and bounds. But in the last decades she has been troubled internally with numerous scandals and she has been steadily losing influence. Her only hope is for the churches of America to prepare the way for her to regain her long lost supremacy by exalting Sunday and uniting with her to enforce it upon all by weilding the power of the state.

Spiritualism will also play a major role in the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Agree pk?

sky

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: skyblue888

Yeahh, the US, of course, under the leadership of Apostate Protestantism.

sky

So sky would you say that "Apostate Protestantism" will include SDAs? I'm smiling as I ask this.

Thats a great question pk.

What do you think? hehe

I'm smiling as I ask this

sky