LifeHiscost Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: the law doesn't forgive! It doesn't allow repentance. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I'm in full agreement with that statement, Robert. And I also agree that within ourselves, short of the cleansing power of the blood of Jesus Christ, our righteousnesses are repugnant to the Lord of glory. [:"red"] "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me I said, 'Here am I, here am I,' To a nation which did not call on My name. "I have spread out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in the way which is not good, following their own thoughts, A people who continually provoke Me to My face, "Who say, 'Keep to yourself, do not come near me, For I am holier than you!' These are smoke in My nostrils..." [/] Isaiah 65:1-3,5 NASB The sad thing is that the ones who see this most readily in others, are the persons who know they have the same failure within themselves, perhaps dormant, but still there. [:"red"] "[ The Impartiality of God ] Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things." [/] Romans 2:2 NASB Brackets theirs LHC <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/DOVE.gif" alt="" /> Quote Lift Jesus up!!
LifeHiscost Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Sid said: Robert I am concerned about you. I am detecting <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Sid, Forgive me for interrupting here, but if it were true, this would be a diagnoses for a professinal to make and would require the same confidentiality medical personnel would require of themselves for the safety of all persons involved. [:"red"] " Treat others the same way you want them to treat you." [/] Luke 6:31 NASB <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/DOVE.gif" alt="" /> Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Robert Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> LifeHiscost said: If it is your conscience that hears our Father's voice condemn for making an effort to keep the Law, to the best of their ability expecting commensurate reward, why do you feel it necessary to ensure they know they are condemned for striving to keep the Law, even though God points out He will enable them to do that and will reward them for it. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> You haven't been listening or reading what I say. Rob Quote
Amelia Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Do you know everyone sins? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> DUH, yes I know that (Don't you start on me Robert). And I know it said "if". I was hoping most would focus on the "restore gently" part. Maybe it would rub off on you guys and your rough word play. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Pockey Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 Robert... yeah I think Amelia was referring to us or me actually. Anyways, my fault regarding the dementia comment. I kind've was serious but, I shouldn't have said it. Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted June 17, 2006 Moderators Posted June 17, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Matt 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Why did Christ have to save us? Do our sins condemn us? No! Then what? The law! Christ came to save us from the curse of the law. Read Gal 3:13 <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> [:"blue"] "Death's power to hurt is sin and the power of sin is the law." 1 Cor 15:56 NCV "Death gets its power to hurt from sin, and sin gets its power from the law." GNT [/] Sooooooooo, which should you get rid of, Robert? The law or sin? You are saying you are no longer subject to the law. How convenient! That way one can continue to live in the same ole same ole! Jesus' solution is to get rid of sin, not the law! The antithesis of your solution to the sin problem. Gerry Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted June 17, 2006 Moderators Posted June 17, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said:Let me ask you again as I have asked you before and refused to answer, does a growing/maturing Christian continue to fornicate, steal, murder, bow to idols, etc. etc.? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> List those "etc. etc." and not just the ones you manage to keep.... I have committed adultery at least once today [see Matt 5:28]. Last week I murdered someone [verse 22]. I am not perfect, as God is perfect, [verse 48] so I've come short there too. I am glad that I am not under law.... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> [:"red"] "He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy." Prov 28:13 NKJ.\ "Confess them the give them up then God will have mercy to you." GNT [/] Gerry Quote
gina i Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 I return tithe because God has given me many things & I am thankful for all that he has given me. I cannot be selfish & keep everything to myself. That's how I feel. I know where my money is going, at least. Quote All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. -Ralph Waldo Emerson
LifeHiscost Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Sid said: Robert... yeah I think Amelia was referring to us or me actually. Anyways, my fault regarding the dementia comment. I kind've was serious but, I shouldn't have said it. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I hope you weren't offended by my interjection, Sid, for your posts usually impress me positively. And it wasn't because I totally disagreed with your conclusion (sorry, Robert). It's just that I see a little insanity in all of human kind >>(after all, why would anyone jump into the lake of fire when they have privilege to accept the Water of Life)<<. I just know no one likes to be publicly singled out. Re: >> << [:"red"] "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work" [/] 2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV A mystery I prefer not to spend time delving into, as I'm sure you agree. [:"red"] "...Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not." [/] John 8:6 KJV <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/untitled.bmp" alt="" /> I've heard that incident referred to Jesus writing the sins of those who slipped away, in the sand. Amazing grace, since they had just brought the woman to Him, broadcasting to the whole community a most sinful secret conduct. Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Robert Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: Jesus' solution is to get rid of sin, not the law! <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> You are right! Rom 7:1 Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? Gerry, if you are alive the law has "authority" over you. Do you know what it demands? Right, "obey me and live, disobey me and die"! But it also says, "There's no one righteous, no, not even one." So Gerry, the law demands your death. You have to die! That's your predicament under law. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law [it demands your death] through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. Your life came to end "in Christ"! The law has been answered. The law can't demand obedience of a dead man. So the law no longer recognizes me, Gerry, because I have accepted Christ's doing and dying. As far as it is concerned my "old self" died when Christ as man died (see Rom 6:6). However, the law does recognize my glorified life in Christ Jesus in the heavenly courts. There it sees a perfect life that answered all the demands of the law. Christ represents me "in Himself" as long as I keep my faith in Him. Quote
Robert Posted June 17, 2006 Posted June 17, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> LifeHiscost said: And it wasn't because I totally disagreed with your conclusion (sorry, Robert). <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Maybe I think you guys are nuts! Rob <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/dancingman.gif" alt="" /> Quote
LifeHiscost Posted June 18, 2006 Posted June 18, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: Maybe I think you guys are nuts! Rob <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/dancingman.gif" alt="" /> <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Believing something doesn't make it true, no matter how hard a person believes or how much a person desires it to be true. If it isn't true, then why get excited over a fairy tale. If it is true, it seems the better part of discretion when it's a negative truth, to make the necessary changes. If it's a positive truth, then whatever support we might be receiving, it seems appropriate to be grateful. [:"red"] "Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best___ " [/] 1 Cor 13:7 AMP <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/DOVE.gif" alt="" /> Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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