CONVERSION

[David Koot]

You mean that you two are not in cahoots?

I am not in cahoots with anyone when it comes to THAT! I am a free spirit, singing my own tune--which goes something like this:

'Its a long way to Tipperary, its a long way to go . . .'

But, carry on, old chap and keep a stiff upper lip. And never forgot those immortal words:

"Rule Britannia!

Britannia rule the waves.

Britons never, never, never shall be slaves."

(Once, years ago, I belted out that song in an Irish pub in Newport Beach, on St. Paddy's day hehehe)

[Woody]

Sorry Amelia ... I guess we had to go there.

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(Once, years ago, I belted out that song in an Irish pub in Newport Beach, on St. Paddy's day hehehe)

Well ... I did it in an Irish pub in Ireland. But I was there on ligit business. And by the way ... it not all that long of a trip to Tipperary ... it's just that the roads are terrible.

[LifeHiscost]

None of those bible quotes implys they are talking about prayer does it?

No! They are principles to accept under whatever circumstances you wish to rely upon the Lord to address for your needs. One always has the right to accept a more narrow view of God's willingness to work by His Word for His children's benefit.

"Now to Him Who, by (in consequence of) the [action of His] power that is at work within us, is able to [carry out His purpose and] do superabundantly, far over and above all that we [dare] ask or think [infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, hopes, or dreams]--" Ephesians 3:20 AMP Parenthesis brackets theirs LHC

No equivocation there!

Regards!

[David Koot]

You did, Rule Britannia in an Irish pub IN IRELAND? And you lived to tell about it? I would NEVER have pulled that stunt in South Boston, even.

[Woody]

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'Its a long way to Tipperary, its a long way to go

[David Koot]

OIC the Tipperary song. thats way different

[aldona]

From what I've learned, J Smith the high ranking Freemason set about to use Freemasonry to bring the LDS church into "truth"

That is scary

Let's be careful when accusing other religions of having Freemasons as their founders.

I was always taught that when you point your finger at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

Wikipedia: Biography of William Miller

William Miller: A Freemason (Progressive Adventist website)

William Miller: A Freemason (Masonic website)

Now, THAT is scary.

aldona

[Gail]

I have studied a bit about the subject and it IS scary to me, wherever it is found!

Although Miller may have been one, the Adventist church does not associate itself with it. EGW spoke out against it as well.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Gail

From what I've learned, J Smith the high ranking Freemason set about to use Freemasonry to bring the LDS church into "truth"

That is scary

Let's be careful when accusing other religions of having Freemasons as their founders.

I was always taught that when you point your finger at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

Wikipedia: Biography of William Miller

William Miller: A Freemason (Progressive Adventist website)

William Miller: A Freemason (Masonic website)

Now, THAT is scary.

aldona

And "I" got in trouble for quoting that beans were poison.

[LifeHiscost]

I found this site very interesting as to Sunday Sabbath.

http://www.kencollins.com/question-42.htm

I was very interested in the article and chose a few statements on which to comment.

Saturday is the Sabbath. Sunday is not and it never has been the Sabbath.

Very enlightened reasoning, and without an agenda preconceived, could be valuable for entertaining Truth.

Christians innovated the custom of worshiping on the Sabbath

If one could consider Jesus as being the first Christian perhaps the statement above is true

"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

Luke 4:16 KJV

Since Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday, that is the best day to celebrate it in worship.

That is an opinion I could accept, except for a few texts of counsel.

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." Exodus 20:8 KJV

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 20:10 KJV

"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee." Deuteronomy 5:12 KJV

"To sanctify a day means to set it apart for a holy purpose."

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day"

Revelation 1:10 KJV

Since this is a thread discussing conversion I can only say that when one is truly converted, one finds no greater pleasure than doing that which Jesus asks of them.

" For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps," 1 Peter 2:21 NASB

"But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." Luke 22:32 KJV

Regards!

[David Koot]

The guy is wrong historically and theologically. His exposition of the Acts 15 council is inaccurate. Typical arguments, unfounded in Scripture or history. Evangelical 'scholarship' or what passes for it.

[Woody]

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Since this is a thread discussing conversion I can only say that when one is truly converted, one finds no greater pleasure than doing that which Jesus asks of them.

I hope LHC that you are not implying that those who do not keep the Sabbath on Saturday are not "truly converted". I know of many Sunday keepers who are truly converted to Christ but simply do not understand the Sabbath message.

However ... I agree that there is great joy in doing as Jesus asks us to do.

[aldona]

I have studied a bit about the subject and it IS scary to me, wherever it is found!

Although Miller may have been one, the Adventist church does not associate itself with it. EGW spoke out against it as well.

I have studied numerous sources on this subject too, both pro-Adventist and against.

The scariest questions it raises:

1. Can anyone find a date when Miller disassociated himself from Freemasonry, or resigned from the Lodge? I cannot.

2. Masons love to look for codes, mysteries, hidden meanings, prophetic dates, delve into ancient writings, etc. It is part of their idea of "god" as the Master Architect of the Universe etc. What kind of motivation or mindset do you think Miller brought with him to the study of 1844 and associated end-time events? Could this have anything to do with why the whole 1844 thing failed and nothing happened on that date? What implications does this have for subsequent development of Adventist theology, especially our changed understanding of what 1844 "means"?

3. By failing to acknowledge and deal with this dark side of our pioneer's history, are we leaving ourselves (as a denomination) wide open to attack by those who wish to portray us as a cult? (In the same way that we demonize Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc?)

OK, now I have gotten myself in enough trouble, you can all get

and the moderators can move my post to another thread, or send it to the cyber-abyss, or whatever...

And no, I am not an anti-Adventist, nor do I have any intentions of leaving the church, but I am not afraid to read and study widely, even when the information I discover about my religion is disturbing - in the interest of truth and historical accuracy.

aldona

[LifeHiscost]

I have studied a bit about the subject and it IS scary to me, wherever it is found!

Although Miller may have been one, the Adventist church does not associate itself with it. EGW spoke out against it as well.

It seems important to remember that Jesus came to save that which was lost. I'm satisfied to believe that if we need to be afraid of any it would be those who don't believe they have some past from which they're glad Jesus removed them.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV

Regards!

[Woody]

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And no, I am not an anti-Adventist, nor do I have any intentions of leaving the church, but I am not afraid to read and study widely, even when the information I discover about my religion is disturbing - in the interest of truth and historical accuracy.

I appreciate the tough questions. I think they need to be asked. Don't have an answer on this one except that our church is much more than William Miller.

I can also see the need for the disclaimer. But I am sorry it has to be given. Those that ask the tough questions do get the arrows though.

[LifeHiscost]

I have more problems with fellow Church members than I have with Satan..

I know

I know

Let's stone Stan

....and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...." John 8:7 KJV

Aren't you glad for that, Stan? teehe

Regards!

[robby0024]

Originally Posted By: robby0024

Oh, and yes the feeling is the holy ghost....which is of god.

Feelings are easy to counterfeit. They originate from the heart. The Bible says that "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.' How would you, or anyone, know that a certain 'feeling' is 'the holy ghost'? Do you think it is possible for satan to suggest or give you a particular feeling? Are our feelings the ultimate guide to truth? If so, why?

If you repent and follow christ, your heart will no longer be evil in gods eyes. Therefore, you will then have gods presence in your life again.

And trust me, you know when the holy ghost has answered your prayer. It's more then a feeling....its something you just no, I will never be able to describe the feeling, but its a feeling you will NEVER EVERRRRRRRR feel in life. It's like an urge to learn more and do good. an urge to continue having the spirit in your life...its like a whisper..you have thisvoice in your head guiding you to do good, and if you follow it..you will know all things. DO NOT DENIE THE HOLY GHOST. thats one of the worst sins you can ever make.

[robby0024]

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is its ties to Freemasonry.

Yeah, I think that's where they get all the secret rituals and costumes.

Now, your just thinking about it to deeply and making it more complecating then it really is. Im not surpised that god did not tell her what she was having......thats not very important.

Will that help her to love god more? Will it help her to follow truth? NO!

So, of course , god did not answer her.

Its easy to mistake the holy ghost, its also easy to puush god out of your life. But, you will know when you been answered, thats all i can say. And if your intentions are to do what the rest of the world does, god sees that.. and u will not be in his presense...therefore, he wont asnswer you. If you use a lot of peircings, tattos or keep an unhealthy body, god will not be with you as much as a holy one. The spirit does not Dwell in unholy temples.......KEEP IT CLEAN !!

Thats why its so easy to not have gods presence, and without it..he will not answer your prayer.

[robby0024]

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We beleive that we will become like god.

Sure! That is the lie that the devil told to Eve in the Garden of Eden "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good from evil." Genesis 3:4,5.

And now you are telling me that you believe what Satan said!!

Robbie, the devil has deceived you, too. Please come back to God.

Beryl

But, im mormon...how could satan possibly deceived me? I have the correct teachings and the correct faith. I love god and god knows it. God has strengthened me.....therefore, Satan will not deceive me. Although, I would recommend you asking god to strengthen you!!

[LifeHiscost]

As for me and my house ... we will choose the Lord.

Originally Posted By: Redwood Oh interesting. But yet you follow Ellen White!? WoW!

[David Koot]

If you repent and follow christ, your heart will no longer be evil in gods eyes. Therefore, you will then have gods presence in your life again.

[robby0024]

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GET BAPTISED INTO THE MORMON CHURCH

I have no desire to be baptized into ANY church. I am glad that our church follows the Biblical method of Baptism. We don't baptize anyone into our church. The only way you can belong to our church is through a vote of 50% of those present.

The Biblical baptism is into the Body Of Christ. It is not an exclusive denomination of any kind. The Body is representitive of ALL believers in ALL faiths.

I would never belong to a church that felt Baptism was into THEIR faith.

I prefer to follow the Bible and my Lord ... Jesus Christ and HIS teachings. Can you tell me where it says that Jesus was baptized into the Morman church?

Ummm The LDS church was not "LDS" in bible times.....of course...

But i mean, if you recgonize that we are the true church of god, you will know that Jesus baptism symbolized our teachings.

AFter the apostles died, all churches lost truth. They all began teaching false doctrines becuase the authority was lost after the 12 apostles. They feel into apotasy, and was teaching false doctrines like the trinity. Man made doctrines. They lost all truth.

But Joseph was called to restore truth....restore the authority, and when you are baptised by people who hold the authory(Mormon Church leaders) You also gain authority...and will receive revelation from god...

So, of course jesus baptism did not symbolize false doctrines.

[robby0024]

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Lol. You are so wrong its funny. It shows how little you know..

For one, we do not contradict the bible, however many churches do. And I hope you find truth..

Oh really?

In light of the Sabbath, show me how you conform to Jesus' day of worship from biblical evidence... If you have to refer to ANY thing extra-biblical,I will concider that you have lost the arguement.

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Also, SDA is the ONLY church that celebrates the sabbath on saturday. When you know the bible correctly, and add the days up right.. u will see the sabbath day is actually on sunday.

Saturday is not the Sabbath Day.

Look that one up.

I have...are you sure you want to go there?

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Yes, god will Not say no to mormonism becuase its right. God does not lie.

I will agree that God does not lie....But as for God supporting mormonism....and saying that it is the truth....I am sorry, but I dont think that there is enough evidence to support that claim...especially in light of the weighty evidence to the contrary.

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Obviously you did not pray with all of your heart if you got some "feeling" that the book of mormon is not right. You will have to pray over and over again until you are answered, becuase i can honestly tell you... that I know its right and i was answered. Not only by feeling, but much much more..

You got a lot of presumption to say that I didnt pray with all of my heart..I think I did...and I did it on more than one occassion...on my knees...The answer on all those occassions was the same..."move on. Not moroni. Not mormonism. " You can't get answers like that without careful prayer and listening...

And the honest truth of this situation is that if you deny my experience, then I can deny yours...And I am reluctant to deny anyone's experience, since the world is much bigger than I am and I don't know all....I know enough, but not all...

Now, if you want someone who knows all, I suggest that you contact David Koots, or Olger...They seem to think that they know all...And we, here on clubAdventist, are nice enough to let them think that. And while they are pretty smart in some areas, we know when to chide them just enough to cause a bit of doubt...It keeps them humble and managable...otherwise they would have a hard time going thru the virtual door here at ClubAdventist...

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and if we are talking about false prophets here....please, lets go no further..ellen white was obviously the false prophet. Who stole writings............

Well, I never brought up EGW and I have no intention of doing so...But she was wise enough to step aside and let the bible shine when there was a supposed conflict between her and the bible...She specifically said that she was "the lessor light pointing to the greater light". And our doctrines, such as the Sabbath, are from the bible...And that is where we search for our salvation and lifes treasures....

Well, if you do not support the book of mormon then you will not beleive...but jews didnt beleive either so your not the only one who denied gods word.

And im sorry you do not know god.

[robby0024]

Satan and his angels being not able to read minds...

The Bible certainly implies this in the account of Nebuchadnezzar in the time of Daniel. Not only did he require his wise men to interpret the dream but if they were indeed able to communicate with the "gods" then they should also be able to tell what the dream was.

Only god can read minds. If you say satan can, then you are saying satan is equal to god.

Im sorry for you.

[David Koot]

But, im mormon...how could satan possibly deceived me? I have the correct teachings and the correct faith.