Everyone will speak Spanish in heaven???

[bonnie]

This is correct. Americans can speak any language they want... but they do have know the language first. I may want to speak Korean but if I don't know the language, I can want all I want but it isn't going to happen. I may want to fly airplanes too, but if I never learned how, it isn't going to happen.

However, the point is that our government isn't going to tell me I have to fly airplanes or that I have to speak Korean. I have the freedom to decide. Let freedom ring.

No comparison,unless you are saying you can should be able to choose if you want to work and the rest of the americans have to feed you for life,

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

NOTE TO ADMINISTRATOR: Please lock this thread. It is serving no other purpose now except to allow Shane to push his own ideology on others. It is not dealing with the original topic.

To Tom Wetmore: I never said I was not rude in using German. I and Olger did use German one time ... Shane's use of spanish continued in the thread after being asked not to. That was not only rude, but insulting. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

To Shane: I am not allowed to write what I would like to say to you.

[Dr. Shane]

Learning English in America is just like any other skill. There are people that speak English here but do not know how to read and write it. The greater education a person has, the more money they can make. That is undeniable. However we don't force adults to get an education. We offer free literacy programs so people can learn to read but we don't force anyone to take them. The same is true with ESL. We offer free ESL programs but do not force anyone to take them. America is all about freedom.

Now some people cannot discuss this without getting our welfare system confused in it. Well, it is true that those that do not speak English are more likely to be low-income and thus eligible for welfare. Those that get divorced are also more likely to be low-income and thus eligible for welfare. Those that are illiterate are more likely to be low-income and eligible for welfare. Those that drop out of high school are more likely to be low-come and eligible for welfare. There are hundreds of factors that make a person more likely to be low-income and eligible for welfare. Welfare is really separate subject from immigration and America's second language.

[Dr. Shane]

It is not dealing with the original topic.

[Dr. Shane]

Having fun, are you?

I try to follow Rule #62

"Don't take yourself so darn seriously."

[Renewed_faith]

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I think we are still on topic. Spanish in America and those that are intolerant of it.

Incorrect:

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And it's getting so that unless you can speak Spanish as well as English, some companies will not hire you. Isn't that discrimination?

That is the topic discussion. Where do you see the words..... "and those that are intolerant of it"

Last time I read it, (just a few seconds ago) no where were those words said.

Point them out to all of us and show us the WORDS that you say are the topic. Please?

I AM getting old so it very well could have slipped my eyes.

[Dr. Shane]

To tolerate something means to put up with something. I may tolerate my children fighting for a period of time. Then when I decide I am not going to tolerate it any more, I tell them, "I am tired of you fighting." Then they know they better stop because I am done tolerating it.

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I'm getting very tired of having to listen to Spanish on the phone when I call a company for service.

[Renewed_faith]

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Then they know they better stop because I am done tolerating it.

Another form of forcing someone to do something. Taking away their rights to be able to fight. So, do children have no rights?????

[Renewed_faith]

You STILL did not answer my question

[bonnie]

You STILL did not answer my question

He can't as it is made up as someone goes along.People speaking spanish is not the problem and and the other poster knows that as well. It is about a desire to learn to function in the workplace.Some think there is a kindness to encouraging people to remain dependent. I think maybe it let's them feel superior and somehow more righteous

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Originally Posted By: rudywoofs

It is not dealing with the original topic.

Originally Posted By: Original Post

This is America. Learn English like my ancestors did. It isn't up to Americans to learn to communicate with immigrants. It is up to the immigrants to learn English to communicate intelligently with Americans. I'm getting very tired of having to listen to Spanish on the phone when I call a company for service. "Press 1 for English" and then another message in Spanish.

I think we are still on topic. Spanish in America and those that are intolerant of it.

No. The topic was English and those who live here and refuse to learn it.

ewaye, my little omelet..

[Tom Wetmore]

Would they do all this in English if a bunch of us decided to go to their country ?? LOL. I think not.

Pretty much wherever the British Empire settled down, English became the dominant and official language, even though it was not the native tongue of the majority. Think of India, a number of African nations, and even at least one country in Latin America, Belize, where the majority (at least in the parts where I was) spoke Spanish and very little English. Much to the annoyance of the French English became the dominant language of international diplomacy/relations.

In other countries, signage is often at least bilingual, one of which is most often English.

Many, if not most, Americans traveling overseas become perturbed when they can't find someone that speaks English. You have heard the rant against the snobbish French that have the temerity to expect you to speak French and refuse to use their perfectly good English language skills while conversing in their country. Sounds familiar...

[phkrause]

GP! Not to be too controversal but it looks to me that the topic is speaking spanish in Heaven? Or am I in the wrong thread?

[phkrause]

Personally, CoAspen, I think we will all speak the language that we speak now, but we will be able to understand each other.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

GP! Not to be too controversal but it looks to me that the topic is speaking spanish in Heaven? Or am I in the wrong thread?

I started the topic because the Union paper printed a statement by someone that the language in heaven was going to be spanish. That irritated me because I did not think Spanish was somehow better than Chinese, English, French, Portuguese, Korean, German, Italian, Yiddish, Norwegian, Swedish, Polish, Czech, Swahili, Arabic, Hawaiian, Cherokee, Baseball, Basketball, Football, Soccer, Chess, Pomeranian, Maltese, Bernese, Rottweiler, Poodle, Daffodil, Lilac, Hemlock, Cedar, Lava, Agate, Brimstone, Fire, Water, Kool-Aid, Marmite, Linkette, Potato, Boll Weevil, Spinach, Broccoli, Tomato, Gay, Straight, Crooked, Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, Studebaker, Toyota, etc.

Since it was Spanish that was mentioned as being "the language of heaven," it reminded me of the irritation when I can't get someone on the phone for emergency immediate help because one must wait for the Spanish to stop before doing or saying anything. It is as if you are something special and extraordinary if you happen to speak Spanish. The United States was founded as an English-speaking country. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are in English. Congress is conducted in English. The Supreme Court conducts its business in English. I do believe the Presidential branch of government also conducts its responsibilities in English. My ancestors either came here already speaking English, or they learned to speak it so that they could be a part of their new homeland. Some still speak German at home, but never to the general public. So I included that in my soapbox.

Shane came out with his machete and chihuahuas to defend Hispanic people's rights, which was NOT the topic. But it became intertwined in the thread because people who REFUSE to learn English in the United States should not be given preferential treatment, especially when it infringes on other people's rights. Shane apparently feels that Spanish-speaking-only people should be given preferential treatment in all areas of life in the United States. I don't. And neither does my Hispanic friend and neighbor of nearly 20 years. She came from Mexico, learned English, and has a good job....where she speaks English. She still speaks Spanish with her family at home. I have no problem with that at all.

et tu, Brutus. Tom Wetmore came in with his New England clam chowder to throw at me because Olger asked me a question in German, to which I replied in German. If anyone wants to know, he was asking if I knew a gentleman at Seminar Schloss Bogenhofen, which was the Adventist Seminary where I went to school. I answered that I knew him, but only through email contact. I apologize to all who were offended by Olger's one question and my one line answer at the beginning of this thread.

Now. I'm really tired of Grandma's good beans...

[Outta Here]

Back to the original topic then, my opinion is sort of like pkrause's.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

I have thought about this verse many times, and I really think it comes right down to NOT having to communicate verbally with one another. We will just know.

For my sci-fi friends out there--we'll sing as the Ood and we'll grok with our water brothers!

[phkrause]

I apologize to all who were offended by Olger's one question and my one line answer at the beginning of this thread.

Now. I'm really tired of Grandma's good beans...

You didn't offend me rudywoofs. Most threads go all over the place after awhile anyway. Sometimes I think threads just go on and on, and are way to long. At least the arguing ones. Some threads like the pictures thread are fine at least no one is arguing. Just lots of great images.

[Dr. Shane]

Shane came out with his machete and chihuahuas to defend Hispanic people's rights, which was NOT the topic.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Shane believes that when a man is arrested he has the right to be given his Miranda rights in a language he understands.

That's off topic. I already wrote that I was done with Grandma's good beans.

[jasd]

LOL

I didn't know you had it - that is - the humor. Nuthin' fusty there. [/smiling like an idjit]

Great posts.

[Guest]

Them chihuahuas will turn on you Shane, so you better keep that machete handy.....

[John317]

He can't as it is made up as someone goes along.People speaking spanish is not the problem and and the other poster knows that as well. It is about a desire to learn to function in the workplace.Some think there is a kindness to encouraging people to remain dependent. I think maybe it let's them feel superior and somehow more righteous

I see this from both sides: the caucasion and the Mexican national. My wife works in a place where most of the clients are very wealthy whites (typically of German or English ancestory), but most of the work is done by Latinos or blacks. One of my daughters also worked there.

The employers don't really care if the workers speak Spanish among themselves, but the clients do, and because of their wealth, they have the power to enforce their rule that no one should speak Spanish in their hearing.

Do they do this because they want people to learn English so they will be better Americans? No. Their reason for demanding that my wife and others not speak Spanish is actually due to their dislike for Mexicans and people of color. How do I know this? Because the clients let it be known. There are no rules that these clients have to follow. They say what is on their mind, and they often call the Mexicans and blacks names and make fun of them. They called my daughter a "Mexican jumping bean," and said they can't trust hispanics and blacks because they steal. When she told them her father is blond and blue-eyed, they called her a liar and said they didn't believe her. This kind of racial, prejudicial language is allowed because the clients pay up to $4,000 a month to live there. No one is going to tell them to be quiet or clean up their speech. If an employee complains or does not please the clients, they are pointed to the door. In these times, that means no job.

My point is that Mexicans often get the message that the reason they can't speak Spanish and must speak English is that their language, color, and culture is inferior or despised.

Personally I agree that they need to learn English, but at the same time I see reasons for Mexicans to continue speaking Spanish. Their situation is a lot different from my German and English ancestors, who came here in order to start a completely new life. Mexicans come here primarily for economic reasons, i.e., money, and not because they dislike Mexico or are opposed to their country politically or religiously. They still love-- and are proud of-- their culture, their history, their land, and yes, their langauge.

[bonnie]

I see this from both sides: the caucasion and the Mexican national. My wife works in a place where most of the clients are very wealthy whites (typically of German or English ancestory), but most of the work is done by Latinos or blacks. One of my daughters also worked there.

The employers don't really care if the workers speak Spanish among themselves, but the clients do, and because of their wealth, they have the power to enforce their rule that no one should speak Spanish in their hearing.

[lazarus]

I do not dislike anyone for their skin color,especially hispanics.I have two wonderful mexican daughters in law.Four very mexican looking grandchildren. They are the pride of my heart.

I know, some of your best friends are......

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I do not dislike anyone for their skin color,especially hispanics.I have two wonderful mexican daughters in law.Four very mexican looking grandchildren. They are the pride of my heart.

I know, some of your best friends are......

The cutsey little statement(jab) really is unnecessary.No,none of my best friends are hispanic. I have neighbors that are hispanic and they are great neighbors and have beautiful families which they care for.Everything they are capable of doing to give their families a better life,they do. English was hard for them,especially the husband.He did not say,"I don't want to learn,you take care of my family"

My daughters-in-law:if I could have hand picked the girls my two sons would marry,I could not have chosen better or be happier to have them as members of the family.Regardless of their skin color.

The four grandchildren that are half mexican are my pride and joy regardless of their skin color.I generally don't think of their skin color.

It is really to bad some make their skin color so important.But some may feel the need to nurse that issue along