skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 I have always been told that if we find something amiss in Mrs. White writings, if it does not harmonize with the teachings of the Bible, we are to take the Bible before her writings. I have found that Mrs. White did not teach anything wrong but I have found that men who have put God aside and accepted the devisings of men to bring men under the control of men have departed from right principles and used Satan's methods. "Organizations, institutions, unless kept by the power of God, will work under Satan's dictation to bring men under the control of men. Fraud and guile will bear the semblance of zeal for truth and for the advancement of the kingdom of God. Whatever in our practice is not as open as day belongs to the methods of the prince of evil. His methods are practiced among Seventh-day Adventists who claim to have advanced truth." T.M.366. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 Ellen G. White wrote: Quote: Oh, will he [J.H. Kellogg] ever understand that the enemy has been working to deceive him in order that he shall put his deceiving science into other minds? This now is my burden, that men are so perplexed with the influence going forth from J. H. K. that they are partakers of his deceiving theories; and notwithstanding all the warnings God has given, they will take up with his specious devising. May the Lord awaken him before it shall be everlastingly too late! {PCO 132.6} John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 God sent messages of warning to the G.C. brethren and we know what they did with these messages of warning. They turned everything upside down. Mrs. White wrote, "Your turning things upside down is known of the Lord." T.M.97. God said that these men were to be removed from office but A.G. Daniells argued that God meant principles not men. So these men, in order to keep their place used fraud and guile to bring men under the control of men. If these men would not submit to their control, they would do anything to remove them even if it meant forging "testimonies" against these men. One of these men was Dr. Kellogg. A.T. Jones was next. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 If these men would not submit to their control, they would do anything to remove them even if it meant forging "testimonies" against these men. One of these men was Dr. Kellogg. A.T. Jones was next. Which testimonies of Ellen White were "forged"? Point them out. What is your evidence that they were forged, or written by someone else in the name of Ellen White? The evidence needs to be more than your conjecture. Your conjectures about this are no better than the conjectures of Dr. Rich and Musicman that 2/3 of the NT is of Satan or that Ellen White was inspired of the Devil. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 Mrs. White wrote, "Your turning things upside down is known of the Lord." T.M.97. The above statement is in the context of what happened at the General Conference in 1888, not about Kellogg. It was in defense of A. T. Jones and Waggoner's message. If the above quote were posted in the full context, it would be plain that it has nothing whatsoever to do with Kellogg. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
ClubV12 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Just to bring folks up to speed, correct me if I'm wrong. Sky stated earlier that Ellen White was influenced, or perhaps her writings were forged, in regards to Kellogg and does not accept her (EGW) counsel on this issue. Further, anything written by EGW after 1903 is highly suspect as to being forged or "uninspired" as a result of the "apostasy" of the leadership. That following the 1888 GC and rejection of the message of righteousness by faith. What we HAVEN'T been able to do is get a clear answer as to WHAT Sky (or miz3) recommends we do about this apostasy. While there doesn't seem to be a direct call to "leave the church" or at the very least "stop supporting it" (tithes/offerings) that seems to be the clear message being delivered. Without acutally saying it in words, like Kellogg, it is a very subtle message being played out on this forum. I sure wish folks would quit beating around the bush and say straight up what they believe. To me, it seems very clear miz3 is not a Seventh-day Adventist, he has not made it clear one way or the other, so the mystery remains. Sky is even more confusing in that regard, I am no longer sure where he is coming from or what relationship to the organized church he holds. Not being mean guys, I know it sounds harsh, but this is a serious thread and that, so far, is my take on the serious posters.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 The wrong track is with the "Brethren". That was a big hint! miz3 ____________________ Mrs. White warned that they were following in the track of Romanism. "They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin... Rule, rule, has been their course of action... They are following in the track of Romanism." T.M.360,363,362. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
ClubV12 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 ...and we should do what as a result? Sky, miz3, we have your counsel on the problem, but await anything as to a possible solution.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 We have no excuse. The Lord revealed to Mrs. White that because of these things He would have to finish the work in a manner that will be very much out of this common order of things (track or Romanism, bring anyone who does not submit to your control, rule, rule or ruin) and in a way that will be contray to any human planning. So when the Lord takes the reins in His own hands, Mrs. White says, these men, instead of coming up to the help of the Lord, they will want to bind about His work to meet their narrow ideas. See T.M.300. That says pretty much all we need to know. What this order of things did in Kellogg's day will be repeated to the very letter before Jesus returns in the clouds of Heaven. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 I have always been told that if we find something amiss in Mrs. White writings, if it does not harmonize with the teachings of the Bible, we are to take the Bible before her writings. "Something amiss"? The only thing "amiss" here in regard to Ellen White's counsels to Kellogg is your belief that Ellen White didn't write the testimonies dealing with the Living Temple, etc. Can you tell us what your evidence is for this belief? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 "They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin... Rule, rule, has been their course of action... They are folloiwng in the track of Romanism." T.M.360,363,362. What is the context of these quotes? Show what relationship these statements have to proving your belief that Ellen White did not write the Testimonies in regard to Kellogg's views. Is there any direct connection? If not, why are you quoting those statements as if they enlighten us about those things? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 What this oder of things did in Kellogg's day will be repeated to the very letter before Jesus returns in the clouds of Heaven. Yet you reject everything Ellen White wrote about Kellogg and his views. How can you side with Kellogg in his false beliefs and oppose Ellen White, yet claim to believe that Ellen White was an inspired prophet of God? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
miz3 Posted July 18, 2011 Author Posted July 18, 2011 You have yet to show what beliefs of JH Kellogg are false in regard to the Bible!
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 The context: "The high-handed power that has been developed as though position has made men gods makes me afraid and ought to cause fear. It is a curse wherever it is found and by whomsoever it is exercised. This Lording it over God's heritage will create such a disgust of men's jurisdiction that a state of insubordination will result." Further down the same paragraph Mrs. White draws a parallel with the Jews: "At the time of the first advent of Christ to our world, the men who composed the Sanhedrin exercised their authority in controlling men according to their will. Thus the souls for whom Christ had given His life to free them from the bondage of Satan were brought under bondage to him in another form." T.M.361. This is the context behind these quotes: "They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin... Rule, rule, has been their course of action... They are following in the track of Romanism." T.M.360,363,362. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 What can happen to those blind eyes that cannot see the most obvious? sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 Kellogg believed that God was actually and truly in the things of nature-- such as the flowers, the trees, the water, the food-- and also dwelling in all men. The Bible does not teach this and neither do the writings of Ellen White. God does not dwell personally and actually in the things of nature, nor does God dwell in all men. The things of nature are an expression or manifestation of God Himself but are not God Himself. God and Christ dwell in believers through the Holy Spirit, but God Himself does not dwell in all men or in all the things of nature. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 "The high-handed power that has been developed as though position has made men gods makes me afraid and ought to cause fear. It is a curse wherever it is found and by whomsoever it is exercised. This Lording it over God's heritage will create such a disgust of men's jurisdiction that a state of insubordination will result." Further down the same paragraph Mrs. White draws a parallel with the Jews: "At the time of the first advent of Christ to our world, the men who composed the Sanhedrin exercised their authority in controlling men according to their will. Thus the souls for whom Christ had given His life to free them from the bondage of Satan were brought under bondage to him in another form." T.M.361. This is the context behind these quotes: "They were determined to bring the individuals to their terms; they would rule or ruin... Rule, rule, has been their course of action... They are following in the track of Romanism." T.M.360,363,362. What relationship to these quotes have to Dr. Kellogg? Are any of them directly dealing with Kellogg or with his book, The Living Temple? Why do you latch on to these quotes which have no relationship to Kellogg, yet ignore all the many, many clear quotes of Ellen White that deal DIRECTLY with Dr. Kellogg and his book? Can you explain this? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 No offense, but it is clear that you still don't get it John and probably never will. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 What can happen to those blind eyes that cannot see the most obvious? You have yourself said that your views cannot be proven and that they are based on "maybes" and "perhaps." Yet here you are saying that your beliefs are "most obvious." If they are obvious, what is their strongest evidence? Here's the obvious: Quote: If ever there was a time when the writings of every author needed to be criticized, it is now. God's Word is to be our study book. In this Word we do not find such representations of God as are presented in the Living Temple. Had Christ thought it essential for such theories to be given to human beings, He would have included them in His teachings. {11MR 314.1} To me it seems passing strange that some who have been long in the work of God cannot discern the character of the teaching in Living Temple in regard to God. All through the book are passages of Scripture. These Scriptures are brought in in such a way that error is made to appear as truth. Erroneous theories are presented in so pleasing a way that unless care is taken, many will be misled. . . . {11MR 314.2} I am called upon by God to stand in defense of the truth that has been given us as we have followed the leading of Him who is the way, the truth, and the life.--Letter 232, 1903, pp. 1, 14, 16. (To J. H. Kellogg, Oct. 16, 1903, marked "not sent.") {11MR 314.3} "The Living Temple" Not Inspired by God--The book Living Temple is not to be patched up, a few changes made in it, and then advertised and praised as a valuable production. It would be better to present the physiological -315- parts in another book under another title. When you wrote that book you were not under the inspiration of God. There was by your side the one who inspired Adam to look at God in a false light. Your whole heart needs to be changed, thoroughly and entirely cleansed. . . . {11MR 314.4} My brother, I must tell you that you have little realization of whither your feet have been tending. The facts have been opened to me. You have been binding yourself up with those who belong to the army of the great apostate. Your mind has been as dark as Egypt. If you will fall on the Rock and be broken, Christ will accept you. . . . {11MR 315.1} I write to you as I would to a son. Break away from the enemy--the accuser of the brethren. Say to him, "Get thee behind me, Satan. I have committed a grievous sin in heeding your suggestions. I will no longer listen to them." I beg of you, for your soul's sake, to resist the tempter, that he may flee from you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. You will lose heaven unless you fall on the Rock and are broken.--Letter 253, 1903, pp. 1, 12-14. (To J. H. Kellogg, Nov. 20, 1903.) {11MR 315.2} Fables Similar to Heresies in the Early Days of the Message Present in "The Living Temple"--The difficulties that have arisen have been very hard to meet, and they are far from being settled yet. One, and another, and still another are presented to me as having been led to accept the pleasing fables that mean the sanctification of sin. The Living Temple contains the alpha of a train of heresies. These heresies are similar to those that I met in my first labors in connection with the cause in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, then in Boston, Roxbury, Portsmouth, New Bedford, and other parts of Massachusetts. Through them the evil one worked upon the minds of men and women. . . . -316- {11MR 315.3} I bore them a message similar to the message I have been bearing for the last two months. I was instructed that the ideas they had accepted were but the alpha of a great deception. I had to meet similar delusions in Portsmouth and in Boston.--Letter 265, 1903, pp. 1,2. (To J. H. Kellogg, Nov. 26, 1903.) {11MR 316.1} John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
miz3 Posted July 18, 2011 Author Posted July 18, 2011 Kellogg believed that God was actually and truly in the things of nature-- such as the flowers, the trees, the water, the food-- and also dwelling in all men. Those are your words John317 and they are not true! Sky and I have shown unimpeachable evidence from both the Bible and Ellen White that your statement above is wrong! God is in fact in those things or they could not exist! They do not exist on their own! You have tried to say God's power is there but God is not there. That is hogwash. You cannot separate God from any of His Attributes. God's Power is God! God's Love is God! (epistles of John say so!). These Attributes are not separate entities unto themselves. Kellogg was correct and we have conclusively shown this to be true from both Scripture and Ellen White.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Kellogg believed that God was actually and truly in the things of nature-- such as the flowers, the trees, the water, the food-- and also dwelling in all men. The Bible does not teach this and neither do the writings of Ellen White. God does not dwell personally and actually in the things of nature, nor does God dwell in all men. The things of nature are an expression or manifestation of God Himself but are not God Himself. God and Christ dwell in believers through the Holy Spirit, but God Himself does not dwell in all men or in all the things of nature. It is true that the Bible does not teach that God the Being dwells in nature but what the Bible teaches is that by God the Spirit the Father and Christ are everywhere present, working in and through all. See Education, p.14,99,100; 1 S.M.293,294,295. Thats what Kellogg was talking about but those who had put God aside could not understand what he was teaching and since they were looking for any excuse to get rid of him because they could not rule over him, assert their usurped authority over him, they invented many lies about him including accusing him of teaching pantheistic theories. They could not discern between truth and error. In the end, they were the ones who were teaching pantheistic theories for they refused to acknowledge the continual working of God in nature, His continual presence through the Spirit. Instead they had no choice but to teach that the power upholding nature was merely an actuating energy, an impersonal essence. But the truth is that "Nature in her work testifies of the intelligent presence and active agency of a Being who moves in all things according to His will." M.H416. "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
skyblue888 Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 The Bible clearly teaches that God fills heaven and earth. "Do I not fill heaven and earth, saith the Lord?" Jer.23:23. Right now God does not absolutely fill all things as in the beginning but when all things are restored He will. "One God the Father who is above all, and through all, and in all." Eph.4:6. "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things." Eph.4:10. It is by the agency of the Holy Spirit that God fills all things. It is God the Spirit, God's immediate Agency, the unseen, mighty Intelligence, that causes the seed to spring forth into life and it is the same Spirit that turns the bud to flower and the flower to fruit. Thus it is God who works in and through all. It is the Spirit that causes the heart to beat and every nerve and muscle in the living organism is kept in order and activity by His power for the divine Spirit is the presence and power of God as has been shown from the Bible and the Testimonies. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 No offense, but it is clear that you still don't get it John and probably never will. What is there to "get" but that you have accepted the "bait" that Ellen White warned against? She said that once people accept this "bait," they seem unable to find their way back to the truth. She said also that people who accept the "bait" come to the point where Satan can talk to them. It's a serious matter to go against the testimonies of the Spirit of God and walk on Satan's ground. How can God protect us when we do it? I know what you are saying I don't get, and it isn't that I don't understand it. You are claiming that the men around Ellen White, including Willie White, were so determined to control John Kellogg that they were willing to forge testimonies and letters in Ellen White's name. I know that these beliefs of yours have led you to the conviction that you cannot believe anything Ellen White wrote (at least on this topic) after about 1903. (Do I have the right year?) But you have no evidence of it except your surmises and conjectures. It would require that Ellen White be unaware of all those writings, which is an absolute impossibility if you know anything about Ellen White's way of working. Ellen White wrote that God had shown her that she would have a good, dependable helper in her son, Willie White. It should be remembered that God revealed to her when various people in her employ were not worthy of trust and should be let go. In order for me to believe that Willie White was forging all those writings in Ellen White's name, I would have to see more evidence than merely your assumptions and accusations. Check out these statements by Ellen White: Quote: In the night season, one of God's messengers stood by my side and asked: {11MR 232.3} "Did not I raise you up when you were sick nigh unto death in Healdsburg? Did not I put My Spirit upon you and sustain you to bear your testimony in Oakland? Did not I your Lord strengthen you to come the long journey to this place? Have I not kept your mind in peace amid the strife and confusion of tongues, and now I have a work for you to do in this place. My everlasting arms are beneath you. I have given you a message to bear. I will show you many things." -233- {11MR 232.4} I was conducted to the house where our brethren made their homes, and there was much conversation and excitement of feelings and some smart, and as they supposed sharp, witty remarks. The servants whom the Lord sent were caricatured, ridiculed, and placed in a ridiculous light. The comment of words passed upon me and the work that God had given me to do was anything but flattering. Willie White's name was handled freely and he was ridiculed and denounced, also the names of Elders Jones and Waggoner. {11MR 233.1} Voices that I was surprised to hear were joining this rebellion and those with whom I had labored in past years without any evidence, or any sure knowledge of any change in Sister White, were hard, bold and decided in denouncing her. And of all those so free and forward with their cruel words, not one had come to me and inquired if these reports and their suppositions were true. I was represented as telling things untrue, when I made the statement that not a word of conversation had passed between me and Brethren Jones and Waggoner nor my son Willie upon the law in Galatians. If they had been as frank with me as they were in talking with one another against me, I could have made everything plain to them in this matter. I repeated this several times, because I saw they were determined not to take my testimony. They thought we all came to the conference with a perfect understanding and an agreement to make a stand on the law in Galatians. {11MR 233.2} After hearing what I did my heart sank within me. I had never pictured before my mind what dependence we might place in those who claim to be friends, when the spirit of Satan finds entrance to their hearts. I thought of the future crisis, and feelings that I can never put into words for a little time overcame me. [Mark 13:9, 12, 13 quoted.] -234- {11MR 233.3} All this passed through my mind like a flash of lightning and I was sensible how little trust or dependence could be put in the friendship of men, when human thoughts and human passions bear sway. Just as sure as the enemy is permitted to bear sway, then we may expect anything. Human friendship, bonds, and ties of relationship are severed, and why? Because there is a difference of opinion in interpretation of the Scriptures. It is the same spirit which condemned the Lord of life and glory. . . . {11MR 234.1} And what created all this stirring up of human passions which was bitterness of spirit, because some of their brethren had ventured to entertain some ideas contrary to the ideas that some others of their brethren had entertained, which were thought from their understanding to be inroads upon ancient doctrines? {11MR 234.2} The guide who accompanied me gave me the information of the spiritual standing before God of these men who were passing judgment upon their brethren. They were not keeping their own souls in the love of God. Had they been growing in grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they would have distinguished light from darkness, and truth from error. {11MR 234.3} I had declared my intention of leaving the meeting as soon as the Sabbath should close, but when I was assured I had a work to do to stand at my post, that God had given me a message to bear in His name, and if even I had foreseen the consequences, I could not be clear before God and have my peace. My work must not cease here, for my testimony of this character must continue as God should direct until these wrongs were expelled from the churches. Unless the faithful testimonies are continued to be repeated in -235- the ears of the people of God, the mold that has been left upon the work would not be removed. {11MR 234.4} There have been, I was informed, misunderstanding not only of the testimonies, but of the Bible itself. Men have exalted themselves and esteemed themselves too highly, which leads to the denouncing of others and passing judgment upon their brethren. Envy, jealousy, evil speaking, evil surmising, judging one another, has been considered a special gift given of God in discernment when it savors more of the spirit of the great accuser, who accused the brethren before God day and night. There has been a spirit of pharisaism, a hard, unsympathetic spirit toward the erring, a withdrawing from some and leaving them in discouragement, which is leaving the lost sheep to perish in the wilderness. There has been a placing of men where God alone should be.--Letter 14, 1889. pp. 4-6. (To Dear Children of the Household, May 12, 1889.) {11MR 235.1} John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators John317 Posted July 18, 2011 Moderators Posted July 18, 2011 Kellogg believed that God was actually and truly in the things of nature-- such as the flowers, the trees, the water, the food-- and also dwelling in all men. Originally Posted By: miz3 Those are your words John317 and they are not true! Dr. Kellogg's own words: God is actually within us, a real, living ever present power. (Living Temple, page 53) God dwells in man. (Ibid, page 36) God's hand is large enough to hold the waters of the earth in His palm. His hand is as large as the earth. (Ibid, page 32) Where God's Spirit is at work, where God's power is manifested, God Himself is actually and truly present (Ibid, page 28) Kellogg said that when we taste food, we are tasting God. When we smell a flower, we are smelling God. When we drink water, God is in the water. ======================================= Those are false and dangerous teachings. The Bible and Ellen White teach the following, contrary to the views of Dr. Kellogg: God is not actually living within us. God does not dwell in all men. See MH 428: par. 3. God Himself is not actually in the things of nature. See 8 T 265: par. 6; page 263. Both the Bible and Ellen White teach that Christ and the Father make their home with and in believers through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a divine person distinct from Christ; He is the third Person of the Godhead, and comes to us as Christ's personal representative. Originally Posted By: Ellen White If Christ be within us, we shall crucify the flesh with the affections and lusts. {AH 338, 340} Does she mean that Christ is literally and personally within all believers? No. Christ cannot be in all believers, because Christ is a man, no longer in the form of God. But He lives within us through His personal representative, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead. He is able to be with all believers at the same time. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
skyblue888 Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 Does she mean that Christ is literally and personally within all believers? No. Christ cannot be in all believers, because Christ is a man, no longer in the form of God. But He lives within us through His personal representative, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead. He is able to be with all believers at the same time. miz3 Yes and He is not only with all believers at the same time but He is also the life of everything that lives. "All creatures live by the will and power of God. They are recipients of the life of the Son of God." 1 S.M.301. This quote states the truth but many will probably never be able to see it because they read it with a clouded mind. Not one in one hundred understands this Bible truth for himself. "Not only is He the Originator of all, but He is the life of everything that lives." Educ.197. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
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