How is it done?

[Guest]

In another thread, Lazarus posted this MLK quote (paraphrasing since I'm too lazy to find the exact quote):

"The black man needs the white man to get rid of his anger, and the white man needs the black man to get rid of his guilt."

How is this done?

I don't buy the premise.

[Kountzer]

Originally Posted By: Kountzer

The reason I think some of them wouldn't know what to do in a real life crime situation is because these are mostly middle class professionals. Many don't look that violent.

Do you really expect to be able to tell those kinds of things by looking at a person's face, or the clothes they have on?

I don't know. I don't plan to find out. Just a quck observation that floated thru my head.

[olger]

So which cultures are superior and which ones are inferior?

Cultures where applying oneself to learning is cause for abuse from the rest of your culture is grossly inferior to the Asian culture where learning is expected and encouraged.

Next question [please].

yes,

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[Guest]

Originally Posted By: lazarus

So which cultures are superior and which ones are inferior?

Cultures where applying oneself to learning is cause for abuse from the rest of your culture is grossly inferior to the Asian culture where learning is expected and encouraged.

Next question [please].

yes,

g

I would have to agree with that. And to borrow a phrase...

Rejoice always.

[Guest]

I don't know. I don't plan to find out. Just a quck observation that floated thru my head.

I see.

Blessings brother, and happy Sabbath.

[Tom Wetmore]

Originally Posted By: lazarus

So which cultures are superior and which ones are inferior?

Cultures where applying oneself to learning is cause for abuse from the rest of your culture is grossly inferior to the Asian culture where learning is expected and encouraged.

Next question [please].

yes,

g

Which cultures inflict abuse on those that apply themselves to learning?

[doug yowell]

I think it's a two way street though. Some have now reached the point where they think that AA's are stirring the racism.

[jasd]

>>If you're going to be a gun owner, you need to be very careful, and persistent in your training.<<

Not so. You've just got to know how to get rid of the body - so's there's nothing ol' CSI can lay on you. [/kidding! kidding!]

Then again, there's always that DA who's gunnin' to put a few notches on his/her political belt... bother the evidence (like with the assistant DA in the McMartin case, L.A.).

Oh well.

[Kountzer]

I will have to google the McMartin case. I vaguely remember hearing something about it.

[doug yowell]

I will have to google the McMartin case. I vaguely remember hearing something about it.

Didn't he used to drive on the NASCAR circuit?

[olger]

Which cultures inflict abuse on those that apply themselves to learning?

"ATHENS, Ga. -- The fear of “acting white” may keep many black people away from activities they would like, and which could help them have better lives, according to University of Georgia researcher Bantu Gross, who spoke on campus Wednesday as part of the UGA Office of Institutional Diversity lecture series.

“Acting white” can be a powerful accusation against someone who considers themselves black, Gross notes. That’s especially true for young people, such as high school students, who face significant peer pressure, said Gross. And sometimes, pressure can come even from parents, he added.

“You’re an alien in your own territory,” said Gross.

Other researchers have shown that black people who make high grades, score high on the SAT or read a lot may be subjected to the accusation of acting white, Gross said."

[olger]

In the United States, acting white is a pejorative term usually applied to African-Americans, which refers to a person's perceived betrayal of their culture by assuming the social expectations of white society.[1][2] Success in education in particular (depending on one's cultural background) can be seen as a form of selling out by being disloyal to one's culture.

Wikipedia

The Asian culture, on the other hand generally expects their children to study hard, do well and apply themselves. I say that this is a superior culture, of the two examples cited.

[Tom Wetmore]

Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore

Which cultures inflict abuse on those that apply themselves to learning?

"ATHENS, Ga. -- The fear of “acting white” may keep many black people away from activities they would like, and which could help them have better lives, according to University of Georgia researcher Bantu Gross, who spoke on campus Wednesday as part of the UGA Office of Institutional Diversity lecture series.

“Acting white” can be a powerful accusation against someone who considers themselves black, Gross notes. That’s especially true for young people, such as high school students, who face significant peer pressure, said Gross. And sometimes, pressure can come even from parents, he added.

“You’re an alien in your own territory,” said Gross.

Other researchers have shown that black people who make high grades, score high on the SAT or read a lot may be subjected to the accusation of acting white, Gross said."

Any other cultures do that or are you only seeing black culture doing that?

[lazarus]

"The black man needs the white man to get rid of his anger, and the white man needs the black man to get rid of his guilt."

How is this done?

Quote:

I don't buy the premise.

That's cool. I'm not expecting you to buy the premise of much of what MLK said. Not that i'm buying into the premise that you know much of what he said, I just sayin.

[Guest]

Any other cultures do that or are you only seeing black culture doing that?

I don't think it's fair to say this is only what "olger" is seeing. He is only commenting on what has already been documented by others. His posted article attests to that.

[Guest]

That's cool. I'm not expecting you to buy the premise of much of what MLK said. Not that i'm buying into the premise that you know much of what he said, I just sayin.

I don't believe the black man needs the white man to get rid of his anger. Or that the white man needs the black man to get rid of his guilt.

That's nonsense. Only God can get rid of those things. Everything that came out of MLK's mouth was not golden. Only some of it. He was a human being. He did not know everything, and he was not a prophet.

I do understand why that may be hard for you to realize, or admit.

[lazarus]

If the Jesse Jackson's, Al Sharpton's, Jeremiah Wright's, black congressional representatives, Black Panther's,NAACP, ect...ect... are not stirring the racism then who exactly is? [/

My point is that for whites today the mere mention of the topic is stirring. That was also the case in the height of the civil right movement.

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Whose thinking? Not mine or, I might venture to guess, the majority of the "white" mindset. I don't know anyone who thinks that the racism practiced against blacks before the 1980's is anywhere near (not even worth comparing) the scope of any reverse racism that we may see today.

A recent Public Religion Research Institute poll found 44% of Americans surveyed identify discrimination against whites as being just as big as bigotry aimed at blacks and other minorities. The poll found 61% of those identifying with the Tea Party held that view, as did 56% of Republicans and 57% of white evangelicals.

Of Course

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What racial slurs are you referring to? I've heard him called a socialist, a Muslim, a non-American, a radical, a leftist, a communist, Mr. President, and a few other unkind things but I've never heard him called ANY racial slur. Where do black people get their information from?

? Where do white folks get their information from?

Marilyn Davenport, the California Republican

Chief U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull of Billings Montana.

Cassie Wright's tweet

House Speaker Mike O'Neal, R-Hutchinson,

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Black folks are fearful of something that white folks will never allow to happen!!

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I saw this today:

A Duke University study

[lazarus]

I don't believe the black man needs the white man to get rid of his anger. Or that the white man needs the black man to get rid of his guilt.

It's ok. I wouldn't expect you to receive that.

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That's nonsense. Only God can get rid of those things.

Hebrews 10:24. Prov 27:17

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Everything that came out of MLK's mouth was not golden. Only some of it. He did not know everything, and he was not a prophet. He was a human being.

Wow, you destroyed that straw man with such dexterity.

[lazarus]

Would you be interested in a quote from an Adventist pastor, now deceased, from 1984 that might reveal some reality to the notion? As long as there is a devil there will be a continuation of the very thing to which you allude.

God blesses!

Sure.

[Tom Wetmore]

Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore

Any other cultures do that or are you only seeing black culture doing that?

I don't think it's fair to say this is only what "olger" is seeing. He is only commenting on what has already been documented by others. His posted article attests to that.

But that was the only example he gave.

That seemed to not help his case for the "culturist" alternative to racism. By asking if there were other examples he could come up with I was just giving olger an opportunity to redeem himself from what seems to be an apparent racial bias to being a "culturist". Read as a whole, his posts seem to suggest that the black culture is inferior. It is looking down on another people group which is what racism is about.

And the bias against education as not being white enough only helps to reinforce the fact that the cultural divide is race based no matter from which side you are seeing it. It reinforces a stereotype that blacks are athletes but not scholars, they are physically superior and mentally inferior. That the culture buys into that stereotype should not be viewed so much as a cultural phenomenon but a very unfortunate byproduct of the stereotyping that racism brings and the expectations it imposes on both sides of the divide.

A rose by any other name... To paraphrase Shakespeare - Racism by any other name would smell as bad.

[phkrause]

Hebrews 10:24. Prov 27:17

Wow, you destroyed that straw man with such dexterity.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us keep paying attention to one another, in order to spur each other on to love and good deeds,

Prov 27:17 Just as iron sharpens iron, a person sharpens the character of his friend.

Excellent verses Lazarus

[phkrause]

But that was the only example he gave.

That seemed to not help his case for the "culturist" alternative to racism. By asking if there were other examples he could come up with I was just giving olger an opportunity to redeem himself from what seems to be an apparent racial bias to being a "culturist". Read as a whole, his posts seem to suggest that the black culture is inferior. It is looking down on another people group which is what racism is about.

And the bias against education as not being white enough only helps to reinforce the fact that the cultural divide is race based no matter from which side you are seeing it. It reinforces a stereotype that blacks are athletes but not scholars, they are physically superior and mentally inferior. That the culture buys into that stereotype should not be viewed so much as a cultural phenomenon but a very unfortunate byproduct of the stereotyping that racism brings and the expectations it imposes on both sides of the divide.

A rose by any other name... To paraphrase Shakespeare - Racism by any other name would smell as bad.

[jasd]

>>Any other cultures do that or are you only seeing black culture doing that?<<

Hoo-ah!--when's the last time you seen approbation on a reservation for an AmIndian "acting white"? Bet it's been a long, long time, eh? ;-)

However, given that - they act white enough running their casinos, yes? Matter-of-fact, they act 'white' enough as to run successful and remunerative enterprises. Thank Gd for small favors... So, drop in one of those 'reservation' casinos - laugh, scratch, and have a good time, as you're welcome; and oh, do drop a few dollar$ whilst at it. ;-)

I'll say this though: in spite of the AmIndian having been genocided by 'crackerman' ;-) and nearly exterminated... and given that they do not encourage 'whiteness' in their children - you'll be safer walking through their reservations and their cultural events than you'd be walking some of the mean streets of most major American cities today.

Oh, and judging from the unwillingness of our newly-arrived Hispanics to assimilate - I'd venture that there's a certain antipathy towards 'whiteness' in their communities, yes? I'd even go further and note the hate in their La Raza movement. Lastly, a sane person wouldn't think of walking their barrios... day or night.

[Ellen]

There is a new book out we just bought for the church library. It is called "Lewis C. Sheafe" Apostle to black America. Anyone wondering just what is wrong with black/white/church relationships would get thier eyes open reading this book.

It is not an easy read but I read every word of it. My husband and I experienced a lot of racial incidents and so I had an interest in the subject.

Even if you don't read the whole thing, scanning the parts most interesting is worth it.

[lazarus]

Thanks Ellen for posting this. I had never heard of this pastor before. For those who want to know more, here's a brief run down:

Born Just as the Civil War Began, Lewis Sheafe grew to manhood at a pivotal moment in American history. But instead of racial equality, the nation offered its freed slaves further oppression and injustice. Sheafe-strong-willed, dynamic, and seemingly tireless-had but two main objectives: Uplift his people spiritually and socially, and consistently adhere to biblical principle in all aspects of life.

His thirst for truth led him first to the Baptists, where he became both an eloquent minister and a prominent leader of the Black community. Then his poor health led him to Battle Creek Sanitarium, where he encountered Seventh-day Adventism. Sheafe saw in the Adventist message the tenets of race relations he already championed, and he embraced it wholeheartedly. He was sent to lead the Black work in Washington, D.C., in 1902, and his evangelistic campaigns drew standing-room-only crowds of both Black and White listeners.

But during his turbulent years of Adventist ministry, he and church leaders could not agree on how to apply biblical principles of racial equality. The conflict eventually proved fatal to his ties with the denomination.

In this gripping biography Douglas Morgan pieces together the life of this forgotten leader whose story sheds light on the reason that no lasting, separate Black Adventist denomination ever forme