How is it done?

[bonnie]

As a mother,not a white mother or a black mother,but simply as a mother I would want to know what happened if possible.I would not want what has happened since piled on the top of the death of my son.

Nor would I appreciate a bunch of people that knew nothing about him or what happened to him creating what they have simply because of the color of his skin.

Martin had value as a human being,not as a black human being,he was loved by his parents not because he was black but because he was their son.

Zimmerman also has the same value as a human being,loved by his family and not because the color of his skin.All the arm chair prosecutors should be hanging their heads with the racial tension they keep throwing the gas on

[Woody]

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No one would have to die if Zimmerman did not have a gun.

If Zimmerman didn't have a gun - HE would have been killed by Martin. That is a fact.

[Woody]

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What we have is very sketchy information on Martin's behavior that night.For you,he was black and that is all that counts.

A classic definition for racism.

[Woody]

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Martin sounds like a young man headed for big trouble.

Yes. He was using drugs and was a drug abuser. He was loooking for trouble and unfortunately - this night he started more than he could chew. But if it didn't happen this night - it would have happened another night.

[lazarus]

The whole black racial thing

LOL. You sound a 7th grader who says "oh that whole constitution thing".

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It is generational bitterness getting worse with each generation.

LOL, as America is fighting several wars right now, talk about bitterness and anger and resentment. That's the height of hypocrisy. You're quoting Ps 34? Please.

You got it so very wrong. Not bitter, but will not shut up when you are racist. I love you enough to rebuke your racist foolishness and show you a better way.

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People think that programs like affirmative action can fix it

Affirmative action is not about healing its about opportunity. Who has said AA will fix it?

The challenge is that for many white people the mere mention of racism evokes such an emotional reaction. Why do they resent the topic so much? We had a month long Bible study in my church about marriage and divorce. It evoked a lot of emotions. Many people had been hurt and were angry about the marital situations past and present. Many white folks are bitter. Many white folks resent black people. That's the way it is

The basic assumptions in your post are out in left field.

[Woody]

As a mother,not a white mother or a black mother,but simply as a mother I would want to know what happened if possible.I would not want what has happened since piled on the top of the death of my son.

Nor would I appreciate a bunch of people that knew nothing about him or what happened to him creating what they have simply because of the color of his skin.

Martin had value as a human being,not as a black human being,he was loved by his parents not because he was black but because he was their son.

Zimmerman also has the same value as a human being,loved by his family and not because the color of his skin.All the arm chair prosecutors should be hanging their heads with the racial tension they keep throwing the gas on

This is very good Bonnie. Thank you.

[Woody]

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You got it so very wrong. Not bitter, but will not shut up when you are racist. I love you enough to rebuke your racist foolishness and show you a better way.

Let me get this right. You are calling someone a racist? When you have from the beginning made the most racist comments and accusations of anyone here.

Amazing.

[lazarus]

The problem IS the lack of empathy and understanding for the struggle of impoverished black people. The conditions and ghettos that exist today are remnants of the segregation era that many, if not the most, were not able to overcome.

::like

Rather than Christians on this board trying to understand there is simply an attempt to denigrate. Sad but not sew. In my experience have found that white Christians have been the least understanding and empathetic of all.

[Woody]

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LOL. You sound a 7th grader who says "oh that whole constitution thing".

I don't get that from what Og is saying. I think he is just tired of the racism that he sees and reads.

[lazarus]

You are calling someone a racist? When you have from the beginning made the most racist comments and accusations of anyone here.

From you I take that as a complement.

[Liz]

The challenge is that for many white people the mere mention of racism is evokes an emotional reaction. Why do they resent the topic so much.

Because no one wants to see the worst in themselves.

[Woody]

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The challenge is that for many white people the mere mention of racism is evokes an emotional reaction. Why do they resent the topic so much.

And that is because many white people are just plain tired of being oppressed with racism being promoted by many blacks. It just gets old especially when the racism is totally unnecessary.

Racism is being promoted by those that have no other solution rather than being racist against whites.

This is true. Even though most whites will not say it. But this is the root of the problem.

[lazarus]

And that is because many white people are just plain tired of being oppressed with racism being promoted by many blacks.

You are saying that white people have now become an oppressed MAJority in America?

"We went from being a privileged group to all of a sudden becoming whites, the new victims,'' says Charles Gallagher, a sociologist at La Salle University in Pennsylvania who researches white racial attitudes and was baffled to find that whites see themselves as a minority.

"You have this perception out there that whites are no longer in control or the majority. Whites are the new minority group."

Call it racial jujitsu: A growing number of white Americans are acting like a racially oppressed majority. They are adopting the language and protest tactics of an embattled minority group, scholars and commentators say.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

And that is because many white people are just plain tired of being oppressed with racism being promoted by many blacks.

You are saying that white people have now become an oppressed MAJority in America?

Yes. It only takes one rotten apple to spoil it for the rest.

This is not an issue about numbers. It's an issue about right and wrong. Racism is just plain wrong. No matter who is doing it. We need to put our special interests aside and just put a stop to racism.

[CoAspen]

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And that is because many white people are just plain tired of being oppressed with racism being promoted by many blacks.

[This] rhetoric is straight out the 'white supremacists' talking points!! Do you even understand what you are saying? If that is what you truly believe....you might want to think about getting out in the real world.

Just who are the 'many white people' and who are the 'many black'? Where is the substance to your words, what do you have to back up such statements? It is such statements that you have made above that continue to fuel the fires of racism.

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Racism is being promoted by those that have no other solution rather than being racist against whites.

If 'most whites' feel the way you say they do, then we have not advanced since the days of the KKK and other such drivel of ideas. That would be very sad and since 'most white' people claim to be Christians, then God is hanging His head in sorrow.

But, thankfully, I do not believe your words are truth!!

[Woody]

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It is such statements that you have made above that continue to fuel the fires of racism.

So let me understand you .... in your mind - BLACKS are the ONLY culture that are oppressed?

What world do U live in?

[Tom Wetmore]

Kind of sounds like a "two wrongs make a right" sort of reasoning...

So are you saying that since there are other people groups that are oppressed in the world, that we should just leave it be and ignore that which we have within our own reach and ability to change?

[Woody]

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So are you saying that since there are other people groups that are oppressed in the world, that we should just leave it be and ignore that which we have within our own reach and ability to change?

Don't have a clue where you get that idea except an attempt to put words in ones mouth that are simply not there.

If you actually read what I have written you will see that I am opposed to ALL racism and ALL oppression. What some here are promoting is that we just consider one brand of racism and that is the oppression raged towards blacks.

This is what I am opposed to. I want to stop ALL racism.

[Tom Wetmore]

All or nothing, then?

Look, this is not an exercise in multitasking, covering all the bases at once. We can only do one thing at a time.

Recheck the OP. This discussion is quite specific. If you are only interested in the broad topic of the oppression of all people everywhere, go ahead start your own topic on that. Just don't complain about people seeking specific answers to specific questions about specific situations.

[Woody]

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[Woody]

Personally I have the same vision as Dr. Martin Luther King. He was right on when he said we would one day have a 'color blind society'. I do believe. I DO believe.

[Tom Wetmore]

The point is, that day has not yet arrived. So how do we get there?

[Woody]

We start by looking at the total picture .

Not just the black part. For some reason people have allowed the blacks to lay claim to the issue of RACISM.

But racism is a far more encompassing issue than just blacks.

[lazarus]

[This] rhetoric is straight out the 'white supremacists' talking points!! Do you even understand what you are saying? If that is what you truly believe....you might want to think about getting out in the real world.

We have reached an interesting point in the conversation. Some random thoughts.

To the white racist equality will feel the same as oppression because his/her natural disposition is to feel/act superior. They expect privilege and do not expect to be challenged or their integrity impugned. When the "inferior" class has as much say, gains power and perhaps can drive the agenda (whatever that may be), the supremacist experiences something brand new. He cannot operate the way he used to, say the things he likes, he cannot discriminate as easily. He concludes that he is a victim of the new system of things. He does not have the freedom he once had. He is oppressed.

[Kountzer]

There has been progress, but this world won't be totally color blind until the earth made new.