CoAspen Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 Quote: White people are not the ones making an issue of the color of ones skin. Haven't lived in the south have you? I bet you have never been to small town SDA church in the south, either? Obviously not all small southern SDA churches make an issue of color, but is does still exist is some places. Making an issue of color in the 'south' is not considered an issue, just a fact.
Kountzer Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: Kountzer A kidnapping in Loma Linda? Big deal. Satan came out of heaven. What are you trying to say,K? Am I already living in heaven? not hardly. If Satan and sin could originate in heaven, then a kidnapping could, and has, allegedly, occured in Loma Linda. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
jasd Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 >>but to those who thought they had been set free but were now a 14th Amendment citizen, thereby exchanging their God given Bill of Rights for privledges. Hence, Freedom was now called liberty (one had to have permission to leave the ship) all because of the 'color of law'. I have a hard time placing the blame on Lincoln as he was just the one being pulled by the strings of those really in charge.<< Indeed, ‘citizenship’ has devolved to the point where even the illegal immigrant becomes effectively ‘citizen’ – even voting; whereas, the most cursory reading of the Preamble to the Constitution specifically states that the War for Independence was fought for the immediate benefit of those who fought, their families, and FOR THEIR POSTERITY, which means – their future generations. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Citizenship rights for the “posterity” have since been adulterated as to effectively nullify... Of most immediate concern is the fact that parents are now required to register their children at birth, giving – by way also of the state-issued Marriage License – ownership of said child to the Govt (ever wondered at the arrogance of Protective Child Services?). The Govt in turn CAPITALIZES the name of the child, registering and filing the new ‘debtor/bonded’ child in Puerto Rico as a chattel slave (a corporate entity) belonging to the Corporate Govt. There is an arbitrary value placed upon the very body of the child and is a guarantee or security of debts owed by our Corporate Power the USofA. This procedure is surreptitious economic slavery – the prophesied Babylon of Writ; that Great City within a city, that is, the incorporated City of London – financial nexus of the world – wherein even the Queen must shed all accoutrements of Royalty when visiting... All countries using fiat monies are ‘fictitious’ Corporations by definition, which include, among others – the US, Canada, Australia, England, New Zealand, etc. This has been true for those born in the US post ‘30s. The above provides scarce a glimpse into the legal maneuvering as pertains our liberties, as our freedom is surely gone. An interesting aside: when I attend services in the .Org churches, I notice the fringed American flag on stage. It is seemingly thought without significance; however, it is the Admiralty Flag – representing maritime Admiralty Law, which incidentally, reminds of Daniel’s vision in Daniel 7 re the four great beasts that came up from the Sea. Few notice that the passage deals in the future tense... A .org, 501©(3) – finding itself in court as a plaintiff finds that it is actually in a maritime Admiralty court of Law...; that is, the Law of the Sea – shed or sans Constitutional guarantees. . Given the above – perhaps one may wish to revisit the vision of Daniel 7 – bearing in mind the verb tense “shall arise”.
olger Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 I am not racist, but I am a culturalist. In other words, I believe that some cultures are superior to others. "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators lazarus Posted April 17, 2012 Moderators Posted April 17, 2012 I am not racist, but I am a culturalist. In other words, I believe that some cultures are superior to others. So which cultures are superior and which ones are inferior? Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Kountzer Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 ..superior cultures, & its members, inferior cultures, etc, they're all going to burn like pitch at the 2nd coming, unless prepared. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Kountzer Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...ore-3485952.php I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Kountzer Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 I wouldn't mind living near Keene, Tx, maybe in Cleburne. So Cal doesn't do it for me. Nor Cal, maybe. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Moderators lazarus Posted April 17, 2012 Moderators Posted April 17, 2012 I say I haven't done anything wrong and they say I have.So WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, and HOW CAN I BE PART OF THE SOLUTION if I don't see how I've done anything wrong (back to the OP)? I think it's a two way street though. Some have now reached the point where they think that AA's are stirring the racism. The thinking is that things have gone too far the other way. The problem is racism (prejudice based on the color of a persons skin). Black folks still believe that there are vestiges of it American society that significantly impact black people. I think significant numbers of white people still harbor prejudices that are hard for them to acknowledge. For black people the TYPES of racial slurs that have been used against Barack Obama are evidence of this. Black folks are fearful that there is still a return to the old tyranny waiting in the wings. I saw this today: A Duke University study released today has found that black defendants who face all-white juries in the U.S. are more likely to be convicted of the charges leveled against them, according to a report at Mother Jones magazine’s “MoJo” blog. The study found that a single black juror, however, can significantly alter that outcome. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/17/st...ack-defendants/ I haven't taken the time to read the details so I can't really comment on the veracity. Most black folk would say nothing new there and most white folk would probably say the person was guilty anyway. What can you do? Lets look at church. If you have any minorities in your church, get to know them, hear their story. I have found that once you hear someones story it changes the way you see them. Simply listening to their life experiences will do as much for them as you. Worship in a black church once in a while. Listen and watch and try to enter the spirit of the worship. Perhaps read a book or two by black authors. Ask questions even when what is being said seems so wrong. If you are in church leadership suggest a joint worship service with a local black SDA church. Have an international sabbath. Multicultural potluck perhaps. Get creative. Ask yourself why do certain sentiments of ideas or actions provoke such a strong emotions concerning this issue. I'm volunteering at a men's homeless shelter at the moment. I know very little about the issues that surround the issues of homelessness. I think I had all the stereo typical views of homelessness. I've spent my time listening and by views have changed 180 degrees. How could I be so wrong and ignorant about the issues that surround homelessness? I was prejudiced as a result of my lack of contact with homeless people. In the process I learned a lot about myself and them. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Guest Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 I'm volunteering at a men's homeless shelter at the moment. I know very little about the issues that surround the issues of homelessness. I think I had all the stereo typical views of homelessness. I've spent my time listening and by views have changed 180 degrees. How could I be so wrong and ignorant about the issues that surround homelessness? I was prejudiced as a result of my lack of contact with homeless people. In the process I learned a lot about myself and them. That's good.
Woody Posted April 17, 2012 Posted April 17, 2012 Quote: most white folk would probably say Do you speak for "most white folks" or how do you know this to be a fact? Have you done research or a survey poll? What references do you have to support this statement of what most white folk would believe? I think it's reckless to go around making a statement regarding what most folks in a culture to which you don't belong - might believe. Misrepresenting different cultures can only contribute to racism. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Kountzer Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 Originally Posted By: Kountzer I work for the state agency that regulates CHL in Texas. Everybody is packing around here, but me, or so it seems. I see people with CHLs at work all the time. I wonder how many of them train enough to be able to shoot the perpetrator of a crime, if it came to that, without killing a bystander. I'm thinking not many. I'm assuming you mean a concealed carry license, or CCL as it's called here. (must be called Concealed Handgun License, in Texas) Anybody who has one of those, has been extensively trained in how to handle a firearm. That's the only way they can get the license. You of all people should know that, since you work for the agency that regulates it. I work for dps in the dld, driver lic div. There is also a department that handles chl, or as you say concealed handgun licenses. I don't work directly with CHLs, but chl people with them often ask about me information on how to change the address on their chl, how to replace a lost chl, stuff like that. The reason I think some of them wouldn't know what to do in a real life crime situation is because these are mostly middle class professionals. Many don't look that violent. Maybe they took the class and went to the training, got the license. But, have they kept up the training? I'm not judging. I could be wrong. I'm thinking to a certain extent I am not. I'm around police officers, & state troopers all the time. Those guys and gals firearm train religiously. If something happens where they have to draw a weapon, they don't have to think about what to do, they probably just react instinctively, from muscle memory. maybe some civilian chl holders train just as hard, but I'm thinking many of them don't. To be honest, I've been thinking for years about getting a chl. I usually just end up spending my $ on PCs, ipods, and ipads. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Moderators lazarus Posted April 18, 2012 Moderators Posted April 18, 2012 I think it's reckless to go around making a statement regarding what most folks in a culture to which you don't belong - might believe. Really? Did you just post that. I think you have a severe case of DOUBLETHINK! Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 Hmmmm. Is this a case of deflection. Can't address the issue so one attacks the messenger? ??? May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators lazarus Posted April 18, 2012 Moderators Posted April 18, 2012 Hmmmm. Is this a case of deflection. Can't address the issue so one attacks the messenger? ??? Woody, your responses are so..... two weeks ago, we've moved on. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Kountzer Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody I think it's reckless to go around making a statement regarding what most folks in a culture to which you don't belong - might believe. Really? Did you just post that. I think you have a severe case of DOUBLETHINK! that's his usual MO. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Guest Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 If I so chose to, I could easily master handling a gun. All these bozos that have them, it can't be that hard. You can do it! And I think you should.
LifeHiscost Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Couldn't find anyplace else where I could get on with this sent to me this morning so thought this would find an audience here. Enjoy for the Sabbath. God blesses! Quote: Take my Son..... A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare works of art. They had everything in their collection, fromPicasso to Raphael. They would often sit together and admire the great works of art.. When the Vietnamconflict broke out, the son went to war. He was very courageous and died in battle while rescuing another soldier. The father was notified and grieved deeply for his only son. About a month later, just before Christmas, There was a knock at the door. A young man stood at the door with a large package in his hands.. He said, 'Sir, you don't know me, but I am the soldier for whom your son gave his life. He saved many lives that day, and he was carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in the heart and he died instantly... He often talked about you, and your love for art.' The young man held out this package. 'I know this isn't much. I'm not really a great artist, but I think your son would have wanted you to have this.' The father Opened the package. It was a portrait of his son, painted by the young man. He stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured the personality of his son in the painting. The father was so drawn to the eyes that his own eyes welled up with tears. He thanked the young man and offered to pay him for the picture.. 'Oh, no sir, I could never repay what your son did for me. It's a gift.' The father hung the portrait over his mantle. Every time visitors came to his home he took them to see the portrait of his son before he showed them any of the other great works he had collected. The man died a few months later. There was to be a great auction of his paintings. Many influential people gathered, excited over seeing the great paintings and having an opportunity to purchase one for their collection. On the platform sat the painting of the son. The auctioneer pounded his gavel. 'We will start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who will bid for this picture?' There was silence... Then a voice in the back of the room shouted, 'We want to see the famous paintings. Skip this one.' But the auctioneer persisted. 'Will somebody bid for this painting? Who will start the bidding? $100, $200?' Another voice angrily. 'We didn't come to see this painting. We came to see the Van Gogh's, the Rembrandts. Get on with the Real bids!' But still the auctioneer continued. 'The son! The son! Who'll take the son?' Finally, a voice came from the very back of the room. It was the longtime gardener of the man and his son. 'I'll give $10 for the painting...' Being a poor man, it was all he could afford. 'We have $10, who will bid $20?' 'Give it to him for $10. Let's see the masters.' The crowd was becoming angry. They didn't want the picture of the son. They wanted the more worthy investments for their collections. The auctioneer pounded the gavel.. 'Going once, twice, SOLD for $10!' A man sitting on the second row shouted, 'Now let's get on with the collection!' The auctioneer laid down his gavel. 'I'm sorry, the auction is over.' 'What about the paintings?' 'I am sorry. When I was called to conduct this auction, I was told of a secret stipulation in the will... I was not allowed to reveal that stipulation until this time. Only the painting of the son would be auctioned. Whoever bought that painting would inherit the entire estate, including the paintings. The man who took the son gets everything!' God gave His son over 2,000 years ago to die on the Cross. Much like the auctioneer, His message today is: 'The Son, the Son, who'll take the Son?' Because, you see, whoever takes the Son gets everything! FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, WHO SO EVER BELIEVETH, SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE...THAT'S LOVE "And this is what God has testified: He has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have God’s Son does not have life. I have written this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life." 1 John 5:11-13 NLT Lift Jesus up!!
Guest Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The reason I think some of them wouldn't know what to do in a real life crime situation is because these are mostly middle class professionals. Many don't look that violent. Profiling may work for some things. But I think it is safe to say that it's completely useless for picking out who the violent people are, or who the good shooters are. And btw, the two are not connected.
LifeHiscost Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Quote: Black folks are fearful that there is still a return to the old tyranny waiting in the wings. Would you be interested in a quote from an Adventist pastor, now deceased, from 1984 that might reveal some reality to the notion? As long as there is a devil there will be a continuation of the very thing to which you allude. God blesses! Lift Jesus up!!
Kountzer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Originally Posted By: Kountzer If I so chose to, I could easily master handling a gun. All these bozos that have them, it can't be that hard. You can do it! And I think you should. Maybe this ties in, maybe it doesn't: I was conducting a driver exam with this young man. Not much talk was going on, which is how it should be during an exam. He was doing a good job driving, so it was sort of routine. I noticed this slip of paper on the steering wheel column. What little I could read, it seemed like obituary material. It had a name of another young man, born 1990, died March 2012. Besides, that were a lot of bible verses, etc. Hmm, only 22 years old. After the road test I asked the young man taking the exam what had happened to the person mentioned on the slip of paper. He said that his friend was cleaning his hand gun and accidently shot and killed himself. I accepted this explanation at face value. A few hours later I got to thinking the cause of this tragedy could of been something else, like suicide. Assuming the explanation is true, where am I going with this? What's the bottom line? If you're going to be a gun owner, you need to be very careful, and persistent in your training. That's all. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Guest Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 If you're going to be a gun owner, you need to be very careful, and persistent in your training. I agree 100%. After a while though, it's no longer training, it's practise. And for some it becomes a hobby. I used to make my own bullets, for nine different calibers, and have a pistol range right here on my property. The science of ballistics is very interesting, and makes a great hobby. But like some other hobbies of mine, it is on the back burner. I don't have time for a lot of things that I used to do.
Guest Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 The reason I think some of them wouldn't know what to do in a real life crime situation is because these are mostly middle class professionals. Many don't look that violent. Do you really expect to be able to tell those kinds of things by looking at a person's face, or the clothes they have on?
Guest Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 I'm around police officers, & state troopers all the time. Those guys and gals firearm train religiously. If something happens where they have to draw a weapon, they don't have to think about what to do, they probably just react instinctively, from muscle memory. You can train every day for 20 years, but until you have actually been in a real situation, you don't know how you will perform. Everybody is different. And every situation is different. I can tell you this also. It has very little, if anything, to do with muscle memory. It's all up here. (points to his head) When that burst of adrenaline hits your blood, in a sudden life and death situation, it changes everything. That's why, until you have been through it, it is not an instinct.
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