Robert Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: Is it self-seeking to satisfy one's hunger? Thirst? Work so that one can buy clothes for one's self? Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> 1 Timothy 6:6 There is great gain in godliness with contentment; 7 for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world; 8 [:"red"]but if we have food and clothing[/], with these we shall be content [RSV]
Robert Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> rudywoofs said: You, sir, are exactly the kind of Christian who made me leave Christianity in the first place. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I understand that you feel hurt, but no one person should cause you to give up being a follower of Christ. Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Just as it is written, “For Thy sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Robert Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: [:"blue"]OK, give us the Bible's definition of selfishness, not your spin on it. [/] Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned [:"red"] every one to his own way[/]; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. [RSV] <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> "For everyone looks out for his own interests, not those of Jesus Christ." [Phil 2:21] Notice that EGW practically quotes the above in the following statement: -BC- PK -TI- Prophets and Kings -CN- 47 -CT- Joshua and the Angel -PR- 02 -PG- 588 The tempter stands by to accuse them, as he stood by to resist Joshua. He points to [:"red"]their filthy garments[/], their defective characters. He presents their weakness and folly, their sins of ingratitude, their unlikeness to Christ, which has dishonored their Redeemer. …They profess to obey the law of God; but have they kept its precepts? Have they not been [:"red"]lovers of self [/] more than lovers of God? [:"blue"] Have they not placed their own interests above His service?[/] Have they not loved the things of the world? Look at the sins that have marked their lives. Behold their selfishness, their malice, their hatred of one another…. But while the followers of Christ have sinned, they have not given themselves up to be controlled by the satanic agencies. They have repented of their sins and have sought the Lord in humility and contrition….
Kountzer Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 Yep, no one can make you leave the church. I am not trying to make you leave Pam, or anyone else. I'm trying to hang on myself. As for the moderator: are you really a chaplain, or is that some sort of role playing game you do in cyberspace. I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Moderators Gerr Posted July 27, 2006 Moderators Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: Is it self-seeking to satisfy one's hunger? Thirst? Work so that one can buy clothes for one's self? Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> 1 Timothy 6:6 There is great gain in godliness with contentment; 7 for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world; 8 [:"red"]but if we have food and clothing[/], with these we shall be content [RSV] <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> [:"blue"]Ok, food & clothing is aok? How about a horse so I can get to work & come home faster? How about a house so I can keep cool in summer & warm in winter? [/] Gerry
Moderators Gerr Posted July 27, 2006 Moderators Posted July 27, 2006 So, what is she saying here? Is it that we shouldn't have anything? Or is it a matter of priority? Gerry
Robert Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: So, what is she saying here? Is it that we shouldn't have anything? Or is it a matter of priority? Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> If you want me to quote EGW, fine, but you won't like it. Do you want her quotes?
Aliensanctuary Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> ...screw it.. I am done with it. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Pam RudyWoofs, every time I see a new topic of yours, I shake my head in wonder and think, "How did she come up with that idea?" Maybe some of us have bad days or dispositions and have a hard time being nice to others, but I like reading your posts. Those who try to kill other's spirits with a river of cold water are probably long-time members of the Church of the Dead, an exclusive club for joy-killers and hard-liners. You are hereby granted a free, full, no-strings-attached, membership in the First Church of Creative Thinkers. Members of this church may not even go to church, but God is still watching out for them and knows what they really need. The hard-liners don't like this church, maybe because we have too much fun, sometimes. Those who were once close to Satan but switched allegiance to God will be especially honored in his Kingdom. The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
Robert Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said:So, what is she saying here? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> She doesn't get in detail, so I'll give you some other quotes. Here's the 1st one: "In heaven none will think of self, nor seek their own pleasure but all, from pure, genuine love, will seek the happiness of the heavenly beings around them." [2T 132] Notice that "in heaven" we won't be thinking about what I need...what I can get...you know, me, me, me....In heaven there will be no self-seeking, but rather we will seek the happiness of those around us. And those around us will be living for our happiness. The church in the book of Acts came very close to this....
Robert Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: "In heaven none will think of self.... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Okay...we are not in heaven; we are here on this fallen planet. So...how does our life now compare to our sinless life there in the future? -PT- The Signs of the Times -DT- 06-09-81 "Our earthly life [now], however long, honored, or useful it may be, is but childhood, frail, imperfect, and undeveloped. Manhood, with its full, perfect, glorious development, will come, when, freed from the taint of sin [selfishness?], we stand among the redeemed throng. Then [not now] we shall enjoy a life which measures with the life of God, and through everlasting ages we shall go on increasing in wisdom and knowledge." Very clear, huh?
Robert Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> rudywoofs said:...screw it.. I am done with it. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I hope you mean done with posting for a time and not forsaking Christ? If the latter please remember that in the judgment God won't ask you why you left Christ, but what have you done with My Son? "He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life." So if I am off on tangent, well, so be it or in other words "never mind". But if I am right never, never give up Christ over how you are treated. Okay? Rob
Raphael Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 May I add a bit to the joy of the mayhem? I think Pam Woofs has posed a marvelous question. Challenging & or probing us to provide precise, efficient, convincing answers. Reminding us to never take for granted any knowledge.. Pam's question may lead us to obtain a role model idea of how our infants may be thought of and or molded. For considered, mentioned joy killers and or hard liners.. I believe that they have brought great enthusiasm and life to this great spiritual fellowship activity. Thanks for this great thread. God loves you all, Raphael Test me with thy might but grant me safe passage. Now, who said that?
Moderators Gerr Posted July 28, 2006 Moderators Posted July 28, 2006 In heaven, there is no reason to think of self because everything that "self" needs - food, clothing, security, are supplied. Everyone is guaranteed a home. Not here. Food doesn't miraculously fall from heaven. Houses do not materialize out of thin air to be in possession of believers. So, let me ask you again. Is it selfish for one to buy a horse so one can get to work faster & come home quicker? Is it selfish for one to work so he/she could buy a house to keep cool in summer & warm in winter? Gerry
Robert Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: In heaven, there is no reason to think of self because.... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> You can't see the forest for the trees. Try again.... Read Isaiah 53:6 again: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned [:"red"] every one to his own way[/]; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. [RSV]
Robert Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: In heaven, there is no reason to think of self because everything that "self" needs - food, clothing, security, are supplied. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> And on this earth you must think of self or you'll be without, right? Funny, Christ was never self-absorbed with Himself. He lived for others and not Himself. Christ wasn't selfish in the slightest! “The Saviour lived not to please Himself. [:"red"]In His life there was not trace of selfishness.[/] Though in a world that He himself had created, He claimed no part of it as His home. "Foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests," He said; "but the Son of man hath not where to lay His head." Christ placed you and I first and never Himself. He came to show us love and in so doing fulfilled His Father's law. His life is the fulfillment of the law. "It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which "seeketh not her own" has its source in the heart of God. . . .[AG 45]
Moderators Gerr Posted July 29, 2006 Moderators Posted July 29, 2006 You didn't answer my question. On this planet one has to fend for his/her own food & clothing, and you quoted a verse which I presume you presented as approving that activity. Since no one is going to give me a horse/car so I can go to work faster & quicker, and since I & my family need shelter to keep cool in summer & warm in winter, is one selfish working for a horse/car or house? Gerry
Robert Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: On this planet one has to fend for his/her own food & clothing... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> The Bible says that if you have food and clothing with this be content! Would you be content, Gerry? </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Since no one is going to give me a horse/car so I can go to work faster & quicker, and since I & my family need shelter to keep cool in summer & warm in winter, is one selfish working for a horse/car or house? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Did Christ think of Himself or did He live for others? That should answer your question.
Robert Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: Did Christ think of Himself or did He live for others? That should answer your question. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> In explaining Christ's self-renouncing love, Ellen states: “…There will be no rivalry, no self-seeking, no desire for the highest place. [:"red"]You will have that love which seeks not her own, but another's wealth.”[/] [DA 439]
Robert Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 Christ’s life showed what it means to love one’s neighbor instead of loving one’s self. His life’s ambition was to be the servant of all instead of serving and living for Himself.
Robert Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 Gerry, Please explain Luke 22:27 "For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves!"
Kountzer Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 thanks I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass
Robert Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: no one is going to give me a horse/car.... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Right! However, if you had been a member of the early Christian church you would have not been without. See Acts 4:34 "There were no needy persons among them." Why? "Not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own; but all things were common property to them." Acts 4:32 Now granted, this unity didn't last very long! Why? Because Ananias and Sapphira introduced "self" back into God's selfless system of love being demonstrated through the early Christian believers. So God's way of prosperity and Lucifer's way are mutually exclusive. In God's system others live for your prosperity (and you for them). In Lucifer's system "we have turned every one to his own way." [is 53:6] This bent towards self is called iniquity. Instead of living solely for others, we live for ourselves. That makes us sinners even though outwardly we may keep the letter of the law. I know you have a hard time with this. It's new to you because you have a very high opinion of your law keeping, but keep in mind what the prophet Isaiah stated: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Jehovah. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. [is 55:8,9] Rob
Robert Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> rudywoofs said: Was Jesus just like any other infant? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Yes...the fallen humanity was the same! No...Christ never, even by a thought, lived for Himself. He, through the Spirit, said no to our bent towards self. Rob
Moderators Gerr Posted July 29, 2006 Moderators Posted July 29, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: On this planet one has to fend for his/her own food & clothing... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> The Bible says that if you have food and clothing with this be content! Would you be content, Gerry? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> [:"blue"]Nooooooooooo wayyyyyyyyy!!! Because God promised so much more than just food or clothing!!! What father or mother is content to give their son or daughter just enough for bare existence and leave them homeless? [:"red"]"Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel's, who shall not receive a hundredfol now in this time - HOUSES and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions - and in the age to come, eternal life." Mk 10:29,30 NKJ. [/] Soooooooo, per your refusal to answer a direct question, your position then is that it is selfishness to want a horse/car or a house, right? Then per your own definition, Jesus must have been selfish because he had a home before He started His ministry. And during the passion week, He asked His disciples to prepare the Passover in the upper room of a house; and asked them to fetch Him a donkey with its colt to ride on!!! [/] </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Since no one is going to give me a horse/car so I can go to work faster & quicker, and since I & my family need shelter to keep cool in summer & warm in winter, is one selfish working for a horse/car or house? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Did Christ think of Himself or did He live for others? That should answer your question. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> [:"blue"]Now let's examine your line of reasoning. It's ok for Jesus to go to heaven and prepare mansions/rooms for believers where food is plentiful and where no one will suffer heat or cold, but it is selfishness to want the same things here and now where there is hunger, heat & cold! [/] Gerry
Moderators Gerr Posted July 29, 2006 Moderators Posted July 29, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Robert said: Gerry, Please explain Luke 22:27 "For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves!" <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> [:"blue"]Robert, you apparently feel greater than the Master because at every opportunity you want to tell us that it is selfish to have cars, houses, and lands, but yet you keep hanging on to your possessions! A servant who is educantionless, homeless, carless, & whatever less he is less of, is practically useless in this day and age. [/] Gerry
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