The secret to victorious living...

[Woody]

No truth in yo-yo's. You might want to re-look at your understanding of the Gospel. Your gospel ain't in the book that I read.

[Twilight]

No truth in yo-yo's. You might want to re-look at your understanding of the Gospel. Your gospel ain't in the book that I read.

The bible is not something we "read" my friend, it is something the Lord opens up to us.

If you are having trouble grasping these simple truths, then you need the eyesalve of the Spirit.

Because without that, nothing I or anyone else will say will ever reach you.

And you can argue from here to the lake of fire that you are saved in your sins, but that argument will not stop you burning brother.

Mark

[Woody]

I ain't burnin' and I ain't goin' ta burn. I am Saved brother. Do you question that?

[Twilight]

I ain't burnin' and I ain't goin' ta burn. I am Saved brother. Do you question that?

It is not a matter of "question" it is a matter of fact.

I know you are not saved.

No one will be saved living in willfull sin.

Only those that are "in Christ" will be saved.

Sin has to be destroyed and all those things that are connected to it will also be destroyed.

Whilst you claim you will be saved in your sin, I know you are lost.

Because you do not know the Lord.

Why do I say that?

Because of this:

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are saying "Lord, Lord..."

And are "working iniquity".

According to Jesus' judgement, you do not know the Lord.

So no, you are not saved, and I love you too much to be gentle with this.

Mark

[Woody]

Mark says:

Quote:

"I know you are not saved."

"I know you are lost. Because you do not know the Lord."

"You are saying "Lord, Lord..."

"And are "working iniquity".

"According to Jesus' judgement, you do not know the Lord."

"So no, you are not saved, and I love you too much to be gentle with this."

Mark

Wow!! Just Wow!!

I get in trouble for saying Hmmmm. And you can get away with talking this kind of trash. Amazing. Your words condemn you far more than I ever could. So ... I will just let them stand.

[LifeHiscost]

The best wisdom is always second hand...

"That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun."Ecclesiastes 1:9 NKJV

Blessings!

[Twilight]

Mark says:

Quote:

"I know you are not saved."

"I know you are lost. Because you do not know the Lord."

"You are saying "Lord, Lord..."

"And are "working iniquity".

"According to Jesus' judgement, you do not know the Lord."

"So no, you are not saved, and I love you too much to be gentle with this."

Mark

Wow!! Just Wow!!

I get in trouble for saying Hmmmm. And you can get away with talking this kind of trash. Amazing. Your words condemn you far more than I ever could. So ... I will just let them stand.

The issue here Redwood, is that you and the bible do not agree.

Only one of you can be right.

So if you saying something that disagrees with a plain statement of scripture, then what you are saying must be wrong.

Saying you are saved in sin, is directly oppossed to what Jesus said.

I would ask that you not take offense at what I have said, but that you consider this.

I do not want you to burn brother.

Mark

[skyblue888]

As we abide in Christ and Christ abides in us according to the will of God, as expressed in John 15:4, the ten commandments become promises to us, most positive promises of their own fulfilment, for "All the promises of God in Christ are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us." 2 Cor.1:20.

None are saved by obedience and yet obedience is the fruit of faith.

"Works without faith are dead, and faith without works is dead. Works will never save us; it is the merit of Christ that will avail in our behalf." E.G. White, Signs of the Times, June 16, 1890.

This, I believe, is what Twilight is saying. So I have to agree with him on this.

sky

For those who abide in Christ and Christ in them, "The law of ten precepts of the greatest love that can be presented to man is the voice of God from Heaven speaking to the soul in promise... There is not a negative in that law although it may appear thus." Letter 89,1898.

Of course, if we fall, we have an Advocate who is pleading the merits of His blood before the Father in our behalf and who is faithful to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Robert

It is possible that it is you that is failing to see here Robert...

Jesus said abide in me and I in you.

There are two "arms" to the experience.

Not one...

Do you understand this?

God bless,

Mark

"In Christ" is what saves....

Christ in you is demonstrative, while none are measuring up....

You make what Christ does in us an addition to what He did in my humanity 2000 years ago. That's heresy and must be opposed strongly. It's in line with Catholicism.

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Robert

Proof:

John 15:3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me [by faith], and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine.

We are already clean "in Christ". As we remain "in Him" through faith we become less and less selfish....

"In Christ" is what He did 2000 years ago in our corporate humanity. "Christ in you" is the result of accepting the truth as it is "in Christ".

Yes...

But we also need to add this to the above:

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If you are "in Christ" you are born of God and you will not sin.

If you are "sinning", then you are not "in Christ".

Mark :-)

Bull....You are leading us back under law...under legalism....You are teaching perfectionism....Pure heresy....Pure heresy.

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Mark. You're selling yo-yo's.

I am not selling anything my friend.

I am pointing to the truth of the gospel.

You are teaching exactly what the Judaizers in Paul's day taught....

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

I ain't burnin' and I ain't goin' ta burn. I am Saved brother. Do you question that?

It is not a matter of "question" it is a matter of fact.

I know you are not saved.

I was removed for calling folks legalists, but Mark is telling folks they are not saved. In fairness he needs a 3 month vacation! Be consistent administrators.

[LifeHiscost]

I live in victory in Christ my friend, (I know how much this will scare some people). :-)

Praise God.

Mark :-)

The victory based upon, in a real sense, the righteousness of Christ allows for no loopholes for the enemy of souls, to which he can take advantage. And I'm not convinced I don't need the imputed righteousness every bit as much if not more than the imparted righteousness. OTOH the Way Jesus provides is a journey, and the destination is glorification, which is a gift the sinner need not fear the sovereign Lord is unable to provide. Praise God for your Life in Him.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18

KJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

. I am Saved brother.

Saved from what? Just asking.

Regards!

[Twilight]

"In Christ" is what saves....

Christ in you is demonstrative, while none are measuring up....

You make what Christ does in us an addition to what He did in my humanity 2000 years ago. That's heresy and must be opposed strongly. It's in line with Catholicism.

Jesus never stated that Robert.

He said "Abide in me and I in you."

He did not say: "Abide in me and I in you if you feel like it..."

He stated two conditions, two commands not one.

You are presenting half a gospel my friend, which means no gospel...

Mark

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

I live in victory in Christ my friend, (I know how much this will scare some people). :-)

Praise God.

Mark :-)

The victory based upon, in a real sense, the righteousness of Christ allows for no loopholes for the enemy of souls, to which he can take advantage. And I'm not convinced I don't need the imputed righteousness every bit as much if not more than the imparted righteousness. OTOH the Way Jesus provides is a journey, and the destination is glorification, which is a gift the sinner need not fear the sovereign Lord is unable to provide. Praise God for your Life in Him.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18

KJV

Blessings!

I have learned some things my friend.

There are many that say "you cannot have the victory" and are correct.

There are many that say "you can have the victory" and are correct.

And this is the dilemna we face as a people.

Those that recognise we cannot have the victory have missed the next step.

That "in Christ" we can have the victory.

It is true, that in our "flesh" we cannot have the victory, but in Christ we can.

Then there are those that say we can have the victory, but think it is some future event they will attain to by much hard work.

But that is again error.

It is still in the flesh.

If we are in Christ, we have the victory...

This is the point I am hoping to discuss on this thread. :-)

We have imbibed some "wrong" teaching as a people and there are some things we do not understand, but when they are corrected, we can walk with God in victory.

These corrections are so simple, that when it comes, we will be singing:

"I once was lost, but now am found..."

Mark :-)

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

It is not a matter of "question" it is a matter of fact.

I know you are not saved.

I was removed for calling folks legalists' date=' but Mark is telling folks they are not saved. In fairness he needs a 3 month vacation! Be consistent administrators.

[/quote']

Please read my posts and point out any personal comments I have made Robert.

All I have done, is shown that someone claiming they are "saved" in willful sin will be lost.

Just as scripture states.

Now if you are trying to suggest I should be banned for warning a brother that they are completely on the wrong track and will burn, that they are in fact deceived about their spiritual condition, then your priorities might not be in the right place.

These are not personal attacking comments, they are concerns and warnings.

Respectfully.

Mark :-)

[Robert]

You are presenting half a gospel my friend, which means no gospel...

Mark

You need a vacation....I don't believe I have ever judged someone to be unsaved. You have and it shows your real colors.

John, you are the administrator here...do something, or are you biased?

Rob

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Robert

I was removed for calling folks legalists' date=' but Mark is telling folks they are not saved. In fairness he needs a 3 month vacation! Be consistent administrators.

[/quote']

Please read my posts and point out any personal comments I have made Robert.

All I have done, is shown that someone claiming they are "saved" in willful sin will be lost.

Just as scripture states.

Now if you are trying to suggest I should be banned for warning a brother that they are completely on the wrong track and will burn, that they are in fact deceived about their spiritual condition, then your priorities might not be in the right place.

These are not personal attacking comments, they are concerns and warnings.

Respectfully.

Mark :-)

See your own words in big red letters....You need a vacation....

[Robert]

All I have done, is shown that someone claiming they are "saved" in willful sin will be lost.

Mark, your flesh is getting the best of you. And you claim perfection?

Now you say "that someone claiming they are 'saved' in willful sin will be lost." Notice you went from telling Redwood "I know you [Redwood] are not saved (present tense)" to not naming Redwood directly.... Then you switched from the present tense to the future tense as in "will be lost"....

That's dishonesty....Again, you need a vacation.

Rob

[Gerr]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Half a gospel. I'm glad to see someone else has noticed this.

I've been telling Robert for several years now that he's only presenting

half of the gospel, which, yes, is no gospel at all after all.

[Gerr]

Proof:

John 15:3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me [by faith], and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine.

We are already clean "in Christ". As we remain "in Him" through faith we become less and less selfish....

"In Christ" is what He did 2000 years ago in our corporate humanity. "Christ in you" is the result of accepting the truth as it is "in Christ".

Didn't you forget something? He also said:

"And you are clean, BUT NOT EVERY ONE OF YOU. For he knew who was to betry him; that was why he said, NOT ALL OF YOU ARE CLEAN." Jn 13:10-11 ESV.

Judas could not be cleansed because he was willfully clinging to an idol. Balaam could not die the death of the righteous as he wished

because there was a sin he could/would not give up. King Saul could not be cleansed because he kept disobeying what God told him to do.

Ditto Annanias and his wife. And Demas would not endure.

[Rex]

Originally Posted By: Robert

I was removed for calling folks legalists' date=' but Mark is telling folks they are not saved. In fairness he needs a 3 month vacation! Be consistent administrators.

[/quote']

Please read my posts and point out any personal comments I have made Robert.

All I have done, is shown that someone claiming they are "saved" in willful sin will be lost.

Just as scripture states.

Now if you are trying to suggest I should be banned for warning a brother that they are completely on the wrong track and will burn, that they are in fact deceived about their spiritual condition, then your priorities might not be in the right place.

These are not personal attacking comments, they are concerns and warnings.

Respectfully.

Mark :-)

I'm new here, but I must say I have to agree with you Twilight. What you said was not a personal attack, but was in fact the truth.

[Rex]

I ain't burnin' and I ain't goin' ta burn. I am Saved brother. Do you question that?

It would appear to me that you are still here on this sinful earth. In which case, you are not saved yet brother.

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1Co 9:27

Is this not a Seventh Day Adventist forum. SDAs have been shown long long ago that "once saved always saved" is a doctrine of demons, and that seems to be the doctrine you are touting.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist brother Redwood?

[Woody]

Depends upon who you ask brother.

To one group of extremists ... they would say I ain't no Adventist. But to another ... they would say yes.

So which group are you asking the opinion of?