Woody Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Ha Ha. You are very funny. I've just been told so many times on this thread that I am going to burn ... I may just start to believe it. HA HA HA HO HO HO HE HE HE Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 You know ... the power of suggestion. (Evil suggestion that is) Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
LifeHiscost Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 It would appear to me that you are still here on this sinful earth. In which case, you are not saved yet brother. But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1Co 9:27 Is this not a Seventh Day Adventist forum. SDAs have been shown long long ago that "once saved always saved" is a doctrine of demons, and that seems to be the doctrine you are touting. Are you a Seventh Day Adventist brother Redwood? Welcome to the forum, Rex. While this is an unofficial Adventist forum, the spirit that often prevails indicates the necessity to think for yourself before, after and while you decide to make any changes based upon the comments presented. "...let each in his own mind be fully assured." Romans 14:5 YLT BTW, I'm hoping you don't find the unfortunate experience of joining in this thread hinder you from continuing to bring your experience in the Word to bear witness. Each will bear the consequence of their own decisions and it would be a fruitful employment for anyone wishing to share the reality of victory in Jesus' Word to the forum. "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:32 KJV "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."Luke 6:45 KJV Blessings! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert I was removed for calling folks legalists' date=' but Mark is telling folks they are not saved. In fairness he needs a 3 month vacation! Be consistent administrators. [/quote'] If that really is the reason you were removed, then you better hope they are not consistent, because this is what you said in post #304155 just before your last post. Originally Posted By: Robert Bull....You are leading us back under law...under legalism....You are teaching perfectionism....Pure heresy....Pure heresy. Note I didn't call anyone legalist....I said (to whomever) that he was leading us back under law...back under legalism....There's a difference! Quote
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say, "I am saved." {NL 43} Paul, not EGW: Eph 2:4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-- it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved , through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Quote
Twilight Posted December 4, 2009 Author Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Rex It would appear to me that you are still here on this sinful earth. In which case, you are not saved yet brother. But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1Co 9:27 Is this not a Seventh Day Adventist forum. SDAs have been shown long long ago that "once saved always saved" is a doctrine of demons, and that seems to be the doctrine you are touting. Are you a Seventh Day Adventist brother Redwood? Welcome to the forum, Rex. While this is an unofficial Adventist forum, the spirit that often prevails indicates the necessity to think for yourself before, after and while you decide to make any changes based upon the comments presented. "...let each in his own mind be fully assured." Romans 14:5 YLT BTW, I'm hoping you don't find the unfortunate experience of joining in this thread hinder you from continuing to bring your experience in the Word to bear witness. Each will bear the consequence of their own decisions and it would be a fruitful employment for anyone wishing to share the reality of victory in Jesus' Word to the forum. "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:32 KJV "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."Luke 6:45 KJV Blessings! Indeed my friend... Welcome Rex. :-) Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 To follow Jesus, and seek to do his will through the power of his word, and the Holy Spirit, is not legalism. NO, but pushing your view of Christ's will on folks and calling them unsaved if they don't meet up to your view is.... Quote
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Indeed my friend... Welcome Rex. :-) Mark You should not be allowed on this forum....You have set yourself up as God and made a judgment that only God can do....You should be removed.... Quote
Twilight Posted December 4, 2009 Author Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight Indeed my friend... Welcome Rex. :-) Mark You should not be allowed on this forum....You have set yourself up as God and made a judgment that only God can do....You should be removed.... Robert, When I compare Redwoods teaching with Jesus teaching: I am saved in willful sin (Redwood). He that works iniquity (willful sin) will be cast out (Jesus). Now if I am to agree with Redwood, I have to call Jesus a liar. So are you suggesting I should be removed from the board, because I will not call Jesus a liar? When did Redwood's words take precedence over Jesus' plain teaching? As I stated before, I am not attacking Redwood or yourself. But pointing out that his beliefs are not in line with scripture and these very beliefs are the ones that Jesus cited as being the reason that many who think they are "saved" will burn. It would be remiss of me not to point this out. God bless you Robert. Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Twilight Posted December 4, 2009 Author Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight Indeed my friend... Welcome Rex. :-) Mark You should not be allowed on this forum....You have set yourself up as God and made a judgment that only God can do....You should be removed.... I suggest you take this up with the moderator Robert. Airing this view in a public manner is not wise. Mark :-) Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 As I stated before, I am not attacking Redwood or yourself. Mark You ought to run for office.... You need to be removed in all fairness! Rob Quote
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert You should not be allowed on this forum....You have set yourself up as God and made a judgment that only God can do....You should be removed.... I suggest you take this up with the moderator Robert. Airing this view in a public manner is not wise. Mark :-) Let's see...you sin...you judge your brother, then you threaten me because I am airing your sin?...Wow, the flesh is really getting a hold on you..... Rob Quote
Twilight Posted December 4, 2009 Author Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight As I stated before, I am not attacking Redwood or yourself. Mark You ought to run for office.... You need to be removed in all fairness! Rob You have not addressed my point Robert. I have stated why I said what I did, that Jesus and Redwood are in disagreement. Yet you have not dealt with this point, but insist that my argument be dealt with by my removal from the board. Is this the spirit of Christ Robert? Of is this the spirit of the executioner? Deal with the point Robert, from scripture. Because all I am hearing from you at the moment is: "Burn the heretic, burn the heretic..." If my brother comes to me and says that they fear for my salvation, because they know I have got something wrong, I would hope my response would not be to tie them up, tie them to the stake and burn them... Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 I have stated why I said what I did, that Jesus and Redwood are in disagreement. Quote
LifeHiscost Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 These corrections are so simple, that when it comes, we will be singing: "I once was lost, but now am found..." Mark :-) _________________________ Amen! Blessings! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
LifeHiscost Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Amen Rex, I have to agree. Anyone still here on sinful planet earth is speaking pre-maturely to say they are saved. Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Not wanting to be contrary to the wisdom already professed, however I wish to refer to those who are "being saved", who "have been saved", and who "will be saved". All those designations can be found in the Holy Scriptures and only those who don't have all three of them on their heavenly pedigree, as given by God Almighty, are in an unsaved position. "...much more, then, having been declared righteous now in his blood, we shall be saved through him from the wrath..." Romans 5:9 YLT "....even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)..."Ephesians 2:5 NKJV Parenthesis theirs LHC "...praising God, and having favour with all the people, and the Lord was adding those being saved every day to the assembly."Acts 2:47 YLT Praise God!!! Hallelujah!!! pals Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Moderators Gerr Posted December 4, 2009 Moderators Posted December 4, 2009 Quote: Now I think legalism is a very real danger and I think many SDA are under bondage to it, but I won't say that they are lost. Only God can know that... Now isn't this a case of double-speak/talk? Paul seems clear in Galatians that those who go back to the law as a way to be saved are not only going back into bondage but have fallen away from grace? And therefore lost unless repentant all over again. "A slave does not abide in the house forever." Quote
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Quote: Now I think legalism is a very real danger and I think many SDA are under bondage to it, but I won't say that they are lost. Only God can know that... [color:blue] Now isn't this a case of double-speak/talk? No....I strongly oppose your theology, strongly...yet I can't determine if you are saved or not....Only God knows. Again, Mark needs a vacation... Rob Quote
Guest Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight I suggest you take this up with the moderator Robert. Airing this view in a public manner is not wise. Mark :-) Let's see...you sin...you judge your brother' date=' then you threaten me because I am airing your sin?...Wow, the flesh is really getting a hold on you..... Rob[/quote'] Robert, Mark has not threatened you, and he has not judged you, and I don't think him telling you the truth about what you believe, is a sin. So why don't you try to get over yourself and move on. If you don't like being told the truth about yourself, then take the antagonistic stuff you peddle, and go somewhere else. This is Mark's thread. If anyone needs to be removed, it is you. Mark is not even an argumentative type person. You on the other hand, that's all you do, no matter who's thread you post on. Quote
LifeHiscost Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 That's dishonesty..... Rob And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no; but, unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”Luke 13:2-5 NKJV Blessings! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Your faith in Christ must endure to the end. If you have Christ you have salvation now....If you let go in the future through apostasy you can kiss salvation goodbye. Nevertheless since my faith remains in Christ I am saved! And if I continue in the faith I will enter heaven, but nonetheless right now if I died I know that "I am complete in Him" Quote
Robert Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Originally Posted By: Redwood That's dishonesty..... Rob And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”Luke 13:2-5 NKJV Blessings! Sure...I am a sinner, but my current sin is not telling Redwood he is unsaved. And yes, Mark needs to repent for that sin when the Spirit softens his heart. Quote
LifeHiscost Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 If anyone needs to be removed, it is you. Mark is not even an argumentative type person. You on the other hand, that's all you do, no matter who's thread you post on. I'm just wondering, Robert and Redwood, if you see yourself in this counsel below? "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men"Romans 12:18 KJV I'm of the opinion that would be with the legalists, so-called, also. " Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." Matthew 5:43-45 KJV Regards! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
Moderators Gerr Posted December 4, 2009 Moderators Posted December 4, 2009 Legalists preach a doctrine contrary to Paul. And Paul said in no uncertain terms that such people are anathema, accursed, which according to Strong's is something/someone with no hope of being redeemed; one doomed to destruction. Quote
Robert Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 If anyone needs to be removed, it is you. Mark is not even an argumentative type person. You on the other hand, that's all you do, no matter who's thread you post on. Mark has judged another brother by stating he is unsaved. He needs a vacation. Quote
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