What does this mean?

[pnattmbtc]

100 texts on generosity.

Gen 14:19 (Abraham’s give of 10%)

Gen 28:20-22 (Jacob decision to give 10% to God)

Exod 35:4-29 (Moses and the people’s gifts to build the tabernacle)

Lev 27:30 (Tithe of everything is the Lord’s)

Lev 27:32 (Every tenth animal is the Lord’s)

Num 18:21 (Tithes support ministers of God)

Deut 12:5-7 (Tithes, special gifts, freewill offerings)

Deut 14:22-29 (Set aside a tenth to learn to revere God)

2 Chr 31:2-12 (Hezekiah generosity & giving instructions)

Neh 10:35-37 (Nehemiah’s giving instructions)

Neh 12:43-47 (Faithful giving to God’s ministers)

Neh 13:11-13 (Nehemiah’s rebuke & the results)

Mal 3:7-12 (Holding back tithes & offerings is stealing from God)

Matt 23:23 (Jesus’ affirmation of tithing)

Luke 11:42 (Jesus’ affirmation of tithing)

I Kings 17:8-16 (Elijah and the starving widow)

Deut 8:18 (God gives people ability to produce wealth)

Prov 3:9-10 (Honor the Lord with your wealth & firstfruits)

Exod 36:3-6 (Moses restrains people from bringing offerings)

Mal 1:6-14 (Malachi’s rebuke for bringing bad offerings)

Hag 1:4-11 (Haggai’s giving challenge)

1 Chr 29:2-9 (David’s generous gift & giving challenge)

1 Chr 29:11-17 (Everything we have and gives comes from God)

Luke 6:38 (Give and God will see others give to you)

2 Cor 8:2-21 (Rich generosity in the midst of extreme poverty)

2 Cor 9:5-15 (God loves a cheerful giver)

Deut 28:12-13, 43-45 (Blessings & curses for obedience)

Ps 50:9-12 (God owns everything)

Prov 11:24-25 (Generosity is the pathway for more)

Prov 18:9 (Slackness in giving is the same as destroying things)

Prov 22:9 (Generous man will be blessed)

Prov 28:22 (Stingy man is eager to get rich, but gets poverty)

Prov 28:27 (Give and have enough, withhold and be cursed)

Matt 6:25-34 (Don’t worry, but seek first the kingdom of God)

Mark 12:41-44 (Rich people giving and the widow’s mite)

Deut 16:10 (Give in proportion to the blessings the Lord has given you)

Deut 16:16 (No man should appear before the Lord empty-handed)

Deut 16:17 (Each person should give in proportion to the way God has blessed them)

1 Cor 16:2 (On the first day of each week, give according to God’s blessing)

1 Tim 6:6-11 (Cautions about the materialism and the love of money)

1 Tim 6:17-19 (Instructions to be generous and willing to share)

1 Sam 30:24 (Those who stay with the supplies share with those on the front lines)

Matt 6:19-21 (Do not store up for yourselves treasure on earth – heart & treasure linked)

Heb 6:10 (God is not unfair, He will not forget the help you gave)

Isa 32:8 (Noble man makes noble plans)

Acts 2:44-45 (Believers had everything in common)

Acts 4:34-37 (No needy persons. Sale of lands and houses.)

Rom 12:13 (Share with God's people who are in need)

Heb 13:16 (Don’t forget to do good and share with others)

I Jn 3:17 (Do you see brothers in need – help them)

Luke 18:22-25 (Rich man turns away from Jesus)

Gal 6:6 (Support financially those who teach you the Word of God)

Matt 25:35-40 (Helping the least of the brethren is helping Jesus)

Acts 20:35 (It is more blessed to given than to receive)

[pnattmbtc]

Here's a nice site on generosity: http://library.generousgiving.org/

[Robert]

'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will wear for clothing?' 33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

All these things refer to food and clothing....Not homes, furniture, nice cars, money in the bank, college degrees etc....You are adding and hence coveting....That's why Paul states, "If we have food and clothing with this be content"!

[Robert]

Most of these are lifted from their context....

[Musicman1228]

Is tithing manditory? If so do you tithe from generosity or duty?

[Guest]

You are reading things into this verse because you love yourself....It's very easy to see...just look at all your goodies....Now maybe you can see the marked difference between your life of self and Christ's life of selflessness?

Robert, unless you live under a bridge it is hypocritical of you to keep repeating this nonsense over and over. (or even once, for that matter)

I see no marked difference between my life and yours, except I haven't bought into the babylonian talking points. We both have computers. If you haven't sold everything you have then you should put a plug in it.

[Robert]

Robert, unless you live under a bridge it is hypocritical of you to keep repeating this nonsense over and over. (or even once, for that matter)

Not at all....I'm not the hypocrite...it is you! Why? You, along with many SDA, insist that the law is binding on the believer. If so start living Christ's life...live His life, which answer all the law....

[Robert]

Is tithing mandatory?

Sure, under the old covenant....Under the NC it isn't a condition of heaven....If so you are paying your way in.....

[Guest]

How convenient for you.

[Woody]

Is tithing manditory? If so do you tithe from generosity or duty?

If you don't pay tithe you are stealing from God and are thus in violation of the standards of the church which are all subject to discipline and possible disfellowship.

Also .... if you don't pay tithe you are forbidden from being in any church office or responsibility according to the Church Manual and our prophet. :)

[wayfinder]

Robert: check out the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) all were well to do. As far as what Matthew recorded chp. 6, what He was saying is, spend your time in study and search for the truth, concerning the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and God will take care of everything else. That would mean, transportation, shelter, food, clothing, etc. Notice that Jesus uses king Solomon as an example, and he was one of the most wealthy person the world has ever known.

[Guest]

Amen, Richard.....

....What we have to do is decypher that legend and decide what is probable and what is improbable.

I appreciate the amen, but I don't think that deciding what is probable and improbable is a good way to form beliefs or interpret scripture.

[Dr. Rich]

Woody wrote, "If you don't pay tithe you are stealing from God and are thus in violation of the standards of the church which are all subject to discipline and possible disfellowship."

WHAT? Stealing from God? How so? In my study on this issue, I could not find anywhere that tithe was mandatory unless there was an active Priest Tribe (Levites) who were told that they belonged to God (they could not own any land) so to support them a tithe from the other tribes went to them. Therefore, since the Levites belonged to God, not paying your tithe at that was indeed, stealing from God.

Since this has been done away with (Matthew 21:43), so has the command to tithe. If you don't agree, give me scripture to show me it is still required. Thanks.

[Robert]

Robert: check out the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) all were well to do.

They are not your example....Christ is....They were sinners....

BTW, where did Abraham get his riches from?

[Woody]

Woody wrote, "If you don't pay tithe you are stealing from God and are thus in violation of the standards of the church which are all subject to discipline and possible disfellowship."

WHAT? Stealing from God? How so? In my study on this issue, I could not find anywhere that tithe was mandatory unless there was an active Priest Tribe (Levites) who were told that they belonged to God (they could not own any land) so to support them a tithe from the other tribes went to them. Therefore, since the Levites belonged to God, not paying your tithe at that was indeed, stealing from God.

Since this has been done away with (Matthew 21:43), so has the command to tithe. If you don't agree, give me scripture to show me it is still required. Thanks.

Whether it is scriptural or not is not the point. The point is that this is the belief or 'view' of our church. And I thought that we were discussing the beliefs and standards of the Seventh day Adventist Church and the dictates of the Church Manual.

[Musicman1228]

Woody said, "Whether it is scriptural or not is not the point. The point is that this is the belief or 'view' of our church. And I thought that we were discussing the beliefs and standards of the Seventh day Adventist Church and the dictates of the Church Manual."

So are you telling me that what the church says what we should believe is more important than what Scripture says? Say it ain't so.

[Guest]

Woody wrote, "If you don't pay tithe you are stealing from God and are thus in violation of the standards of the church which are all subject to discipline and possible disfellowship."

WHAT? Stealing from God? How so? In my study on this issue, I could not find anywhere that tithe was mandatory unless there was an active Priest Tribe (Levites) who were told that they belonged to God (they could not own any land) so to support them a tithe from the other tribes went to them. Therefore, since the Levites belonged to God, not paying your tithe at that was indeed, stealing from God.

Since this has been done away with (Matthew 21:43), so has the command to tithe. If you don't agree, give me scripture to show me it is still required. Thanks.

Matt 21:43 says not one word about tithe. (what a surprise)

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me. But you say, How have we robbed you? In tithes and offerings.

10 Bring you all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house, and test me now in this, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

[Woody]

Our prophet says that Tithe is the "Test of heavenly fellowship" See EV 251

She also states that Faithfulness in tithe paying is a condition to answered prayers. See COL144

Dishonesty in tithing "is registered in the books of heaven as robbery toward Him." CS 77

In the church manual p. 135 Tithe paying is described as a "spiritual exercise in which we should all have a part of. It can't be separated from the message of salvation".

[phkrause]

To no one in particular.

There is a statement in the Bible about being Healthy, Weathly and Wise! My question is does being Wealthy only have to do with having money? I think not. I believe that in some places you could say it means that if we have Christ in our lives, this is what makes us wealthy.

Also about tithe, doesn't Jesus challenge us and say to test him, that if we are faithful with our money he will be faithful in returning to us. I don't think that we can ever out give our Lord and Savior.

And I believe that Woody has brought up some very good points from EGW.

pk

[SivartM]

I don't think the Bible says "healthy, wealthy, and wise". I think poor Richard said that.

[doug yowell]

I don't think the Bible says "healthy, wealthy, and wise". I think poor Richard said that.

If that's true, SivartM, it should have been posted on the "social justice" thread.

[Guest]

I don't think the Bible says "healthy, wealthy, and wise". I think poor Richard said that.

No, it wasn't me.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Originally Posted By: SivartM

I don't think the Bible says "healthy, wealthy, and wise". I think poor Richard said that.

No, it wasn't me.

Not you. Benjamin Franklin, who wrote Poor Richard's Almanack.

(does it always have to be about you?)

[phkrause]

I don't think the Bible says "healthy, wealthy, and wise". I think poor Richard said that.

Well I found out that it was Benjamin Franklin, but I really thought that I read that in the Proverbs, oh well that's life.

pk

[Robert]

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me. But you say, How have we robbed you? In tithes and offerings.

Old Covenant command! How do I know this?

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them."

Mal 3:8 But you say, 'How are we robbing thee?' In your tithes and offerings. 9 You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you.