Are We Redeemed?

[Robert]

In other words if you do not accept Romans 8:1-3 you will never experience verse 4.

[LifeHiscost]

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For the law of the Spirit of life (where?) in Christ Jesus has set you (the believer) free from the law of sin and of death.

The law of sin and death is not the same as the ten commandments.

"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."Romans 7:23 NKJV

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

Hebrews 8:10 NKJV

"But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does." James 1:25 NKJV

"Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good."Romans 7:12 NKJV

"O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day."Psalm 119:97 KJV

God blesses!

[LifeHiscost]

In other words if you do not accept Romans 8:1-3 you will never experience verse 4.

The law of Moses is not the ten commandments written by the finger of God in stone. The law of Moses, which was against us was what was done away with at the cross.

God blesses!

[Gibs]

Robert, Take into account the difference betweeen walking after the flesh or walking after the Spirit.

Ro 8:1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That is the crux of the whole matter, the one who walks after the Spirit, Christ in you, the Law is in his heart and he is freed from sining and death, you see He walks aright with Christ, hand in hand.

And then verse Ro 8:4 is fulfilled in that one.

Ro 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Ps 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

Ps 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Ps 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Ps 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Ps 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Robert]

Robert, Take into account the difference betweeen walking after the flesh or walking after the Spirit.

Ro 8:1 ¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That is the crux of the whole matter, the one who walks after the Spirit, Christ in you, the Law is in his heart and he is freed from sinning and death.....

I'm going to place this under my post on Romans 7 & 8

[Gibs]

The only reason I keep coming back to you is for the others who are reading and evaluating these posts. It is easy to see and I've seen it for a long time Robert has it right and there is not another way.

Well there is Robert and it is not yours or mine or any of us. It is the way Christ has made that yours and mine and all might clean up the soul temple that we be safe subjects to take into His Kingdom.

Any who die committing sin will be raised in the second resurrection. We take with us what we are at death. You must do your part to get cleaned up, and I and any who will be recipients of that Heavenly Home.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[cheddar]

Any who die committing sin will be raised in the second resurrection. We take with us what we are at death. You must do your part to get cleaned up, and I and any who will be recipients of that Heavenly Home.

Herein lies the problem - Sinners cannot clean themselves.

You're trying to do God's job. Do you think that cleansing the soul of sin is like using a vacuum cleaner.

Your works gospel will always end in failure.

[JoeMo]

Amen, cheddar! IMO, God gave us the Law to bring us to total frustration with our inability to be righteous on our own before a pure and holy God. We would not even know what sin is without the Law; and would never realize our need of a Savior. The Law does not make us righteous, only the spotless life and all-encompassing sacrifice of Jesus; and our faith in the grace and power it brings us can save us!

Be Blessed,

JoeMo

[Woody]

Hey - all. Gibs is right that with God - nothing is impossible. Trouble is - we are sinful humans and WILL NOT allow God to do the impossible. It's just our nature. And we will never lick that. Praise God for His mercy. Thus: WE can proclaim that we are REDEEMED. Oh how I love to proclaim it.

[JoeMo]

Amen Woody,

We will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of His testimony; not by anything attched to our own righteousness. Jesus simply asks us to BELIEVE!

[Woody]

Amen Woody,

We will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of His testimony; not by anything attched to our own righteousness. Jesus simply asks us to BELIEVE!

Yes Praise God JoeMo. We are overcomers because He overcame and thus we are because of HIS status - not ours.

The overcoming that needs to be done - is to accept HIS overcoming. His sacrifice on our behalf. Praise God for His Mercy.

[Gibs]

I've made it very clear to you fellows, we work and Christ works, but our tiny part must be put in. That is falling on Him and being broken, crushed dead of the old self. That is your part. Most will not do that, pride and self will not be surrendered by the most. That is the death Paul speaks of and then with a cleaned soul temple of self and pride He can work in you to do of His Good pleasure instead of your old sinful pleasure.

No matter how I spell it out to you you want to hang on to being saved while willfully committing sin. That cannot be done.

Do not let this false theology of saved in your continuing sin be set in you, it is the Devils teaching to bring more with himself to burn. There is no safety in those huge numbers with him and his evil angels.

Our only safety is in Jesus Christ and He in us and with His faithful few out of the great majority.

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Don't you all know the whole world of Christianity preaches opposite of that. With the modern theology all are going through with all their worldly baggage except the very few . Some are even preaching that God is so much Love that even Satan will be reinstated!

What is it you want Heaven to be like? Well sin and sinners will not inherit it as He will have no replay of the present living hell we are in.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

We will have one Master or the other Satan. In not choosing you are choosing.

He is your Master that works in you as you allow it. Christ will do His perfect work in you if you will give all you are to Him to work. He cannot change you unless you are willing to be moulded and shaped as He needs you to be to be a safe subject that He can have in His Kingdom.

Here again John hits the nail square on the head,

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[John317]

.... Jesus simply asks us to BELIEVE!

What are we to believe? And in whom are we "asked" to beleive?

Also, doesn't Jesus say, "You WILL obey my commandments if you really love me"?

So, Jesus gives us "commandments" to do something; He doesn't merely make requests that we think certain thoughts or agree with some ideas.

The world is fast forgetting this, and the SDA church was raised up by God for the specific purpose of calling people's attention back to God's down-trodden commandments to "obey."

Yes, belief in Christ and in His Word is essential, but we need to always put "trusting" and "obeying" together just like the Bible does.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: JoeMo

.... Jesus simply asks us to BELIEVE!

What are we to believe? And in whom are we "asked" to beleive?

Also, doesn't Jesus say, "You WILL obey my commandments if you really love me"?

So, Jesus gives us "commandments" to do something; He doesn't merely make requests that we think certain thoughts or agree with some ideas.

The world is fast forgetting this, and the SDA church was raised up by God for the specific purpose of calling people's attention back to God's down-trodden commandments to "obey."

Yes, belief in Christ and in His Word is essential, but we need to always put "trusting" and "obeying" together just like the Bible does.

[JoeMo]

John 317,

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31)

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:16-17)

"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:28-29)

"For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." (Gal 5:3-4)

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)

No commentary needed.

Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb,

JoeMo

[Robert]

The law of Moses, which was against us was what was done away with at the cross.

No, no, no....The law is against us. The moral law! Who are you kidding?

[Robert]

Any who die committing sin will be raised in the second resurrection.

Then no one will be saved...especially you.

[Robert]

I've made it very clear to you fellows, we work and Christ works, but our tiny part must be put in.

Okay, 75% glory to God, and 25% to us.

And when I get to heaven I can sing, "Oh that will be, glory for me!"

Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom a the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

[Robert]

So, Jesus gives us "commandments" to do something; He doesn't merely make requests....

Old covenant, John. Obey and live, disobey and die. No one is living Christ's life...Everyone is tainted with self-love. Hence "there's none righteousness".

[JoeMo]

John 317,

I believe the literal verse is “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15). I also believe it is an enablement, not a warning. In other words, "If you love me, I will give you the power to keep my commandments". Without that power from the Spirit of Jesus, we are slaves to sin - we have no ability to keep the Law. The grace that comes from faith not only brings us eternal life, it brings us the power to will and to do God's will. If we could do it without grace, we wouldn't need a Savior.

But, like I've been told before, that's just my opinion on what the Bible says. If you are an SDA, it's also what Fundamental beliefs 10 and 11 say (at least to me).

[JoeMo]

Robert,

You said "75% glory to God, and 25% to us." You are too kind to us. It's more like 99.99% to God; 0.01% to us.

Nonehtheless "That will be gloryyyyy ... be glory for me!"

God Blesses,

JoeMo

[Robert]

I was actually attacking Gib's view....No glory goes to us....Not one iota.

[Gibs]

He now has people who do keep all His commandments in the here and now.

Read this statement and be powered up, EGW, speaks,

"What possibilities are opened up to the youth who lay hold of the divine assurances of God's Word! Scarcely can the human mind comprehend what is the breadth and depth and height of the spiritual attainments that can be reached by becoming partakers of the divine nature. The human agent who yields obedience to God, Who becomes a partaker of the divine nature, finds pleasure in keeping the commandments of God, for he is one with God; he holds as vital a relation with God as does the Son to the Father. {TMK 159.4}

What privileges and blessings are granted to those who have obtained like precious faith with the disciples of Christ! Nothing is withheld from them." {TMK 159.5}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Robert]

I can quote other EGW statements that say as long as life shall last we can never say we have arrived, spiritually. So your assurance...your faith must not be in your works, but in Christ's imputed righteousness.