Are We Redeemed?

[Gibs]

That I know and understand well Robert. Any works I have are from Love to Him and my fellow man. I have full faith in Him all the way that He in me I can walk as He walked.

EGW, speaks,

"Let us attend to our own work, and do our duty, and not be so anxious to know what may be some other person's duty. The Lord turned to Peter, and said, "What is that to thee? Follow thou me." We are to look to Christ. There is perfection in him. We can be cleansed from every spot and stain through the merit of his blood. His righteousness may be imputed unto us". {RH, June 25, 1889 par. 4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

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1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I think perhaps this rendering of that text more accurately projects God's thoughts.

"...the one who practices sin is of the devil...."1 John 3:8 NASB

God blesses!

[Robert]

I have full faith in Him all the way that He in me I can walk as He walked.

Well, that's nice, but that's not what saves. If you think it does then God is not working in you. Why? He will never work in you to save you. Why? He already did that in Christ. He will not go against His gospel....

[JoeMo]

Gibs,

You quoted EGW:

"Let us attend to our own work, and do our duty, and not be so anxious to know what may be some other person's duty."

AMEN!

"Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise." (Luke 10:37)

Blessings,

JoeMo

[Gibs]

Originally Posted By: Gibs

I have full faith in Him all the way that He in me I can walk as He walked.

Well, that's nice, but that's not what saves. If you think it does then God is not working in you. Why? He will never work in you to save you. Why? He already did that in Christ. He will not go against His gospel....

If that was the case as you state, what then is the sense of Him not ending it then and there and just announce all are saved from here on out. Provision yes was made for all who would come.

We are saved when we have come to live in this life and then as we go to Him and repent that we may be saved.

" There is no salvation without repentance. No impenitent sinner can believe with his heart unto righteousness, Repentance is described by Paul as a godly sorrow for sin that "worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of" (2 Corinthians 7:10). This repentance has in it nothing of the nature of merit, but it prepares the heart for the acceptance of Christ as the only Saviour, the only hope of the lost sinner." {FW 99.2}

He drew me to His throne of grace and I repented there. He does that for all. Many will not come of course.

A word from EGW,

" And I, if I be lifted up . . . , will draw all men unto me. John 12:32. {LHU 230.1}

The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection. Yea, more, it was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror. Those who in the strength of Christ overcome the great enemy of God and man will occupy a position in the heavenly courts above angels who have never fallen. {LHU 230.2}

He is our all in all. He is all things to and for us.

" The Lord is waiting to do great things for His children who trust in Him. Do we expect to dwell with Christ in the eternal world? Then we must dwell with Him here, that He may help us in every time of trial and temptation and make us ready for His coming in the clouds of heaven. . . . The beauty and grace of Christ must be woven into our characters. We cannot keep Christ so apart from our lives as we do, and yet be fitted for His companionship in heaven. He is to be the all in all of heaven, and must be our all in all upon earth". {TMK 119.5}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Woody]

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Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb,

JoeMo

[Woody]

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"...the one who practices sin is of the devil...."1 John 3:8 NASB

Hey all - I practice sin. And I'm the first one to admit it's the devil in me. Praise God we are forgiven by His Grace.

Might I add --- we are ALL of the devil and need God's Grace.

Praise God from Whom all Blessings Flow.

[Robert]

We are saved when we have come to live in this life and then as we go to Him and repent that we may be saved.

What kind of gibberish is this?

[Robert]

Hey all - I practice sin.

No, you hate sin because your mind is in agreement with God's agape, but in your walk you aren't living Christ's life. That's not practicing sin.

[JoeMo]

Woody,

You kinda remind me of Paul. You sorta claim to be a "chief of sinners". You have no idea what a blessing you are to so many people on this forum. I hope there's enough room on your crown for all the stars!

Blessings, bro!

JoeMo

[Woody]

Woody,

You kinda remind me of Paul. You sorta claim to be a "chief of sinners". You have no idea what a blessing you are to so many people on this forum. I hope there's enough room on your crown for all the stars!

Blessings, bro!

JoeMo

Well - I don't know about all that. But I do know I can kinda relate to Paul. (After all we are both big sinners)

[JoeMo]

Woody,

Include me in Paul's and your "club". Thank God we have a club President that became sin for us; and redeemed us by His grace!

YEAH JESUS!

JoeMo

[Woody]

Woody,

Include me in Paul's and your "club". Thank God we have a club President that became sin for us; and redeemed us by His grace!

YEAH JESUS!

JoeMo

[LifeHiscost]

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Hey all - I practice sin.

Is this the club referred to?

"....God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."Romans 1:28-32 NKJV

God blesses!

[Gibs]

It best be ye take a heavy part in this club brought up here in this verse,

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[cheddar]

IMO, God gave us the Law to bring us to total frustration with our inability to be righteous on our own before a pure and holy God. We would not even know what sin is without the Law; and would never realize our need of a Savior. The Law does not make us righteous, only the spotless life and all-encompassing sacrifice of Jesus; and our faith in the grace and power it brings us can save us!

This absolutely correct. The law has only one purpose and that's to show us what sin is and that's it. Once this happens then we go to Jesus not back to the Law.

Some can never talk about anything but obedience and commandment-keeping but then they fail to preach a gospel of grace. It's all about them and their performance. Jesus is the farthest thing from their minds.

They don't even know if they have been redeemed or not. The title of this thread is 'are we redeemed?' and they don't even know. That's because human works are never finished and never complete. Christ's sacrifice redeemed(saved) all men and there's nothing I can add to it.

[Gibs]

Many we can know will proclaim "I am saved" or "I am redeemed", but it don't make it so. Why? His Way by many has not been met, appropriated to them.

Mt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

"He brings his divine power to combine with your human efforts, that through his righteousness appropriated to yourself, you can keep his law. Our liberty was procured by Christ, by his spotless, meritorious life and death. We receive the righteousness of Christ, and through his merits enjoy liberty, and are identified with him. We have the promise that if we abide in him, and his words abide in us, we may ask what we will, and it shall be done unto us. Is it indeed possible that Christ may abide in us, and we in him? Christ says, "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you." {RH, July 29, 1890 par. 8}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

LHC,

You either misunderstand or are playing the part of the accuser of the brethren. I'll assume the former. I won't waste any of our time re-quoting all the verses in 1John that say he who says he has no sin is a liar; and the truth is not in him.

Being a sinner is totally different than being in rebellion against God. Rebels revel in their sin; we revel in our salvation. Thank you Jesus!

BTW, Paul - the writer of the verse you used to rebuke us - is a member of our "club". No offense, but so are you and Gibs -whether you admit it or not.

It's time to quit heaping condemnation and judgement on each other on this forum. It saddens me to think of the poor witness we are to those non-Christians that come to this board out of curiosity; and leave saying "Those Chritians - how they must hate one another!"

[CoAspen]

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"Those Chritians - how they must hate one another!"

It has been noticed and pointed out before....but denied! Then all of the texts are misquoted about being able to judge. It cycles over and over.

[Gibs]

No JoeMo, LHC is not the accusser of the brethern, Satan is. Nor do I find LHC misunderstands.

I find that many do not understand the matter of redemption as it should be understood.

Here is a truism if there ever was one from EGW,

" The Gospel for Both Dispensations

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17. {FLB 88.1}

Since the fall of Adam, it has been the fashion of the world to sin, and it is for our interest to know what sin is. John declares: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4. {FLB 88.2}

God's purpose is . . . to save from sin. . . . The soul, corrupted and deformed, is to be purified, transformed. {FLB 88.3}

Through the gospel, souls that are degraded and enslaved by Satan are to be redeemed to share the glorious liberty of the sons of God. {FLB 88.4}

The gospel is the power and wisdom of God. {FLB 88.5}

Christ had been sent to earth to represent God in character. . . . He Himself was the gospel. {FLB 88.6}

Many who claim to believe and to teach the gospel . . . set aside the Old Testament Scriptures, of which Christ declared, "They are they which testify of me." John 5:39. In rejecting the Old, they virtually reject the New; for both are parts of an inseparable whole. No man can rightly present the law of God without the gospel, or the gospel without the law. The law is the gospel embodied, and the gospel is the law unfolded. The law is the root, the gospel is the fragrant blossom and fruit which it bears. {FLB 88.7}

He who proclaimed the law from Sinai, and delivered to Moses the precepts of the ritual law, is the same that spoke the sermon on the mount. . . .The teacher is the same in both dispensations. God's claims are the same. The principles of His government are the same. For all proceed from Him "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." {FLB 88.8}

The gospel of the New Testament is not the Old Testament standard lowered to meet the sinner and save him in his sins. God requires of all His subjects obedience, entire obedience to all His commandments. {FLB 88.9}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

CoAspen,

It's likely to make me some enemies; but discouraging the judgement and condemnation of each other (in the name of Chritian "tough love") on this forum and the denial thereof is going to be one of my "missions" here. It's one thing to debate a subject. It's a whole different matter to personally attck another simply because they don't agree with every word that proceedeth out of their mouth. It happens on both sides of the road. Sometimes the liberals can by every bit as judgemental and the conservatives.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: JoeMo

IMO, God gave us the Law to bring us to total frustration with our inability to be righteous on our own before a pure and holy God. We would not even know what sin is without the Law; and would never realize our need of a Savior. The Law does not make us righteous, only the spotless life and all-encompassing sacrifice of Jesus; and our faith in the grace and power it brings us can save us!

This absolutely correct. The law has only one purpose and that's to show us what sin is and that's it. Once this happens then we go to Jesus not back to the Law.

Some can never talk about anything but obedience and commandment-keeping but then they fail to preach a gospel of grace. It's all about them and their performance. Jesus is the farthest thing from their minds.

They don't even know if they have been redeemed or not. The title of this thread is 'are we redeemed?' and they don't even know. That's because human works are never finished and never complete. Christ's sacrifice redeemed(saved) all men and there's nothing I can add to it.

Well said guys. RIGHT ON. Nothing more to add.

[Gibs]

Ah Gentlemen, but we know TRUTH is LOVE. That is Christ. So we cannot dispell the truth in any way shape or form or warp it around, TRUTH don't bend. It is solid, it is the "Rock" you know.

All one can do is fight against it and in doing so it will fall on him and grind to powder, but the one fallen on Him and broken is blessed.

Lu 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[CoAspen]

Sooooo...what is the intent of yor post??

[Gibs]

Mt 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mt 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.