Football and Adventism

[Guest]

Oh, that's right. You're not even supposed to touch a pig. haha!

[BobRyan]

Hmmm, mybe it's the "pigskin" that makes it so abominable, do ya suppose! LOL!

The temple was made of porpoise skin and the saints of the OT traveled by donkey and camel, and horse back etc. So touching the leather or hide was never a problem even in OT days.

OK so according to the Bible the pigs cannot be eaten -- but then that is not part of the sport.

in Christ,

Bob

[Guest]

Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall you not eat, and their carcass shall you not touch; they are unclean to you.

[Woody]

Oh, that's right. You're not even supposed to touch a pig. haha!

Richard - have we met?

i rest my case

[Guest]

Perhaps they're using all beef footballs now? :)

[phkrause]

Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall you not eat, and their carcass shall you not touch; they are unclean to you.

Actually I do believe that that text is referring to a dead carcass. Just my .10 worth of opinion. :)

[Guest]

After it's made into a football, is it not still dead? And is it not still the carcass?

[Woody]

Instead of all this 'carcass' talk. Get the Christmas Spirit man.

[Guest]

I have it man!

[Gibs]

Ah, now RLH, that thar pigskin ain't dead, why it has a spirit in it that makes all those big tough guys

fight for it likes it is something each has just gots ta have!

Man do they have fun, and also them uns that even pay ta watch!

[Guest]

I must admit, that I have enjoyed watching some Carolina Panther games on tv. And the players were having a ball! I have Wesley Walls' autograph, that I got some years back. He was great. A nice guy too.

[phkrause]

Yes to the first part, but no to the second, but here is a link as to what a football is made of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28ball%29

so it looks like the actual part that's being touched is made of leather and pigskin, but the inner bladder was originally made of pigskin, not anymore it seems?

ps: looks like you'll have to copy and paste the URL.

[Woody]

Thanks pk. That should settle matters and end this thread for once and all.

[BobRyan]

I must admit, that I have enjoyed watching some Carolina Panther games on tv. And the players were having a ball! I have Wesley Walls' autograph, that I got some years back. He was great. A nice guy too.

I too have watched countless football games and played football in school and at home with friends countless times.

I don't think I have a single quote on this thread saying that nobody enjoys the game.

In fact that post that you responded to - points to a lot of enjoyment in the game.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

The temple was made of porpoise skin and the saints of the OT traveled by donkey and camel, and horse back etc. So touching the leather or hide was never a problem even in OT days.

OK so according to the Bible the pigs cannot be eaten -- but then that is not part of the sport.

Originally Posted By: RLH

Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall you not eat, and their carcass shall you not touch; they are unclean to you. [/quote']

But notice that in Lev 11 -- you cannot even tough the carcass of a clean animal that dies of itself, or that is killed by an animal etc.

Yet Elijah and John the baptizer wear camel's hair skins - camel is unclean.

And even the sanctuary itself is made of porpoise skins. Also unclean animals.

So nothing in the Bible or in Ellen White's statements about the pigskin leather being the problem. At least none that I know of.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Instead of all this 'carcass' talk. Get the Christmas Spirit man.

So err... ummm.. you don't like the fact that I claim that touching pigskin leather is not a violation of either the writings of Ellen White - nor of the Bible?

Would you "prefer" that I find some fault in that as well???

Or are you saying that we should not quote anything that Ellen White says about football -- during football season because it cuts across "someone preference"??

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Do we now live in a world where Christian preference trumps messages that God gives to His prophets???

Some may believe that - but surely we can all see that not everyone on ClubAdventist is going to go for that solution.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Wishing everyone a happy Christmas celebration of Christ's birth as you read the story of the birth of Christ today with family and friends.

in Christ,

Bob

[Woody]

Some will go for pagan celebrations and some on Club A will not.

[Gibs]

Oh well, the old ball game will go on!

[Woody]

Oh well, the old ball game will go on!

Praise the Lord Gibs.

[BobRyan]

Some will go for pagan celebrations and some on Club A will not.

Start a thread on that topic -- include some quotes.

Start off asking for balancing quotes - and context.

Be objective.

let's see if that idea will pass close review... :)

[BobRyan]

Oh well, the old ball game will go on!

Indeed it will. Free will being what it is - all can make their own choice in the matter. But should we be promoting it from the pulpit if in fact we accept the ministry of Ellen White as a true prophet?

in Christ,

Bob

[Guest]

You don't have to say that you reject the writings, in order to make them of none effect. All you have to do is be selective, or pick and choose which parts you will follow, and which parts not.

[Robert]

You don't have to say that you reject the writings, in order to make them of none effect. All you have to do is be selective, or pick and choose which parts you will follow, and which parts not.

Are you a sports fan?