Football and Adventism

[LoneRanger]

The question remains - did you find those verses and if so - did you accept the teaching that you found there?

How do I answer that?

Is this a "Yes" or "No" question?

The first question is easy--of course I found those verses. And if I hadn't found them countless people just like yourself have pointed them out to me.

The second question, however, is a little more difficult. "Did I accept the teaching"

Does this mean "Did I accept the teaching as BobRyan understands it." or "Did I accept the teaching as Lone Ranger understands it."

Well, I don't know. What is YOUR understanding of the teaching? I know what mine is.

However, this now leads to HOW to APPLY the UNDERSTANDING.

Does this apply to EGW? Does BobRyan's understanding or LoneRanger's understanding apply to EGW?

If I say YES, one automatically thinks that I think like they do.

If I say NO I'm automatically a heretic.

P.S. Stan, can we get a :shoot yourself in the head: smilie

(JUST KIDDIN )

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

The question remains - did you find those verses and if so - did you accept the teaching that you found there?

How do I answer that?

Is this a "Yes" or "No" question?

The first question is easy--of course I found those verses. And if I hadn't found them countless people just like yourself have pointed them out to me.

Glad to hear that you know countless people aware of those two texts.

Interesting that you have yet to bring yourself to discuss the details - the points that those two texts raise.

Because so far - your reject-whatever-crosses-my-preferences model has not been shown to fit with what the Bible actually says on the topic of prophets.

And that just illustrates the point - that some of those who use the red herring "just give me the Bible" seldom show an interest in what the Bible actually says on the topic at hand.

Another point is also being illustrated - and that is that on this specific subject of football and Adventism - the most common way people have found to get around the warning is to reject fundamental principles of the Bible teaching on the subject of prophecy, prophets and how all of that works.

in Christ,

Bob

[JoeMo]

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Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil.(1Thes19:22)

That's exactly what I do. I test EGW's prophecies against scripture (not my own preferences). What I cannot reconcile or verify with scripture, I question.

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For these are rebellious people, deceitful children,

children unwilling to listen to the Lord’s instruction.(Isaiah 30:9)

At least you're using scripture to supposedly back your points here. For Isaiah 30_8-14 to be appropriate, the reader must believe that EGW held the OT office of propphet back in the days where procphecy was concentrated in one (or very few) individuals). The gift of NT prophecy, according to Paul,is a distributed gift for the whole church. The SDA Church didn't even consider EGW a prophet for many years. Like others on this thread and I have stated before, even though we think EGW had a gift of prophecy, we don't think she was 100% infallible on some things. You have even said whe wasn't 100% infallible. I use the Bible as a measure of her (or any other alleged prophet's) accuracy. What do you use?

[JoeMo]

LoneRanger,

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If I say YES, one automatically thinks that I think like they do.

If I say NO I'm automatically a heretic.

Ain't it the truth?! I'm all for a middle ground.

I'm really blessed by your posts.

[Woody]

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That's exactly what I do. I test EGW's prophecies against scripture (not my own preferences). What I cannot reconcile or verify with scripture, I question.

[Woody]

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even though we think EGW had a gift of prophecy, we don't think she was 100% infallible on some things. You have even said whe wasn't 100% infallible. I use the Bible as a measure of her (or any other alleged prophet's) accuracy. What do you use?

You are SO right on JoeMO. God Bless You

[LoneRanger]

LoneRanger,

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If I say YES, one automatically thinks that I think like they do.

If I say NO I'm automatically a heretic.

Ain't it the truth?! I'm all for a middle ground.

I'm really blessed by your posts.

Thanks, JoeMo

[LoneRanger]

Glad to hear that you know countless people aware of those two texts.

Interesting that you have yet to bring yourself to discuss the details - the points that those two texts raise.

Because so far - your reject-whatever-crosses-my-preferences model has not been shown to fit with what the Bible actually says on the topic of prophets.

And that just illustrates the point - that some of those who use the red herring "just give me the Bible" seldom show an interest in what the Bible actually says on the topic at hand.

Another point is also being illustrated - and that is that on this specific subject of football and Adventism - the most common way people have found to get around the warning is to reject fundamental principles of the Bible teaching on the subject of prophecy, prophets and how all of that works.

in Christ,

Bob

BobRyan, I had this amazing response and then the server went ??? GAHand I don't have the time or patience to recompose it now but wait for it, its comming.

[LoneRanger]

Interesting that you have yet to bring yourself to discuss the details - the points that those two texts raise.

Because so far - your reject-whatever-crosses-my-preferences model has not been shown to fit with what the Bible actually says on the topic of prophets.

[phkrause]

Good one Woody, problem is, if we didn't read her writings, we'd never know that.

What??

Was EGW the ONLY person to advocate reading the Bible??

Perhaps I am misunderstanding this.

Is this thread and your post, not about what EGW had to say? So all I'm saying is that to find that she actually said that, we would've had to read her writings? Correct?

Now let me ask a question? Was Amos a Prophet? And did he not also claim not to be one? I do believe that we read and preach from the book of Amos! I'm not disagreeing with you about what she said, but if I had not read her writings would never had known what she said. Anyway just a thought.

[LoneRanger]

Thank you, pkrause, for that clarification. I see now that I had the (fortunately) wrong slant on my interpretation.

Couldn't agree with you more.

[LoneRanger]

As has been noted several times in the past - it is a red herring to argue that everything Ellen White said at breakfast is not directly from God - since no one on this board has ever suggested such a thing.

I'll take you as spokesman for the forum members regarding this view, and I am relieved to hear that.

However, I do know from personal experience that there are those who DO hold to it, so it is out there.

[BobRyan]

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Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil.(1Thes19:22)

Quote:

For these are rebellious people, deceitful children,

children unwilling to listen to the Lord’s instruction.(Isaiah 30:9)

At least you're using scripture to supposedly back your points here. For Isaiah 30_8-14 to be appropriate, the reader must believe that EGW held the OT office of propphet back in the days where procphecy was concentrated in one (or very few) individuals).

The Bible dose not teach us the idea of redefining "prophet" with each generation - nor do we have it redefined at the cross -as if Jesus died on the cross to redefine how prophecy works.

However if you want to make it up - then you have the free will to choose to do so.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

Interesting that you have yet to bring yourself to discuss the details - the points that those two texts raise.

Because so far - your reject-whatever-crosses-my-preferences model has not been shown to fit with what the Bible actually says on the topic of prophets.

I feel like the pot is calling the kettle black. You charge me with not addressing the texts yet you yourself have neglected to do so.

[M. T. Cross]

If I say NO I'm automatically a heretic.

Careful there Ranger man - heretic is my territory.

[LoneRanger]

Best make some room there.

[M. T. Cross]

Bah..... I guess. Can you at least make good pancakes or sumpin? Its hungry work ya know

[LoneRanger]

1Thess 5:19-22 rejects the idea that we can simply toss out prophetic messages from God - as it suits our preferences.

[LoneRanger]

Bah..... I guess. Can you at least make good pancakes or sumpin? Its hungry work ya know

I got the BEST pancake recipe.

[M. T. Cross]

Ok - you are in! I will bring the syrup.

[LoneRanger]

[JoeMo]

MT and LR,

If I can join (I don't know if I'm a heretic - more like an infidel), I'll bring some bananas, peaches, and peanut butter to spread on them cakes.

[LoneRanger]

OK by me. I'm sure ther's no limit on infidels.

[Woody]

Hey - can I join the club?

[JoeMo]

It's not my club, Woody (MT and LR are the charter members). But, as a fellow infidel, I will recommend you for membership - but you gotta bring scones.