Everyone will speak Spanish in heaven???

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I'm sure that immigrants everywhere are so touched at the fact that everyone on this thread knows exactly what immigrants need, want, and should get. If I was an immigrant I'm sure I'd want you in charge of the government, otherwise I'd have no idea whether or not I should or can learn English. Except I still don't because nobody has agreed yet as to what I should do, so I guess I'll just sit here.

LOL If you were an immigrant who didn't read English, you wouldn't know what this thread said anyhow. And on top of that, if you DID know English, your comment would be moot because it would not be referring to you.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

People are hungry and homeless in USA, in Canada, in Great Britain, in Australia, in Mexico, in Spain, in Portugal, in Italy, in Ireland, in Sudan, in Saudi Arabia, in Iceland, in Denmark, in Sweden, in Norway, in China, in Vietnam, in Cambodia, in Austria, in Germany, in Russia, in Ukraine, and in every other country in the world.

[bonnie]

*General post*

People are hungry and homeless here in USA.

Hungry

Yes there are.They need to be helped as far as possible.Hopefully from homeless and hungry to a job and a home.

The wish to have immigrants learn english to help us to help themselves is viewed as starving and cold hearted.

[Liz]

Originally Posted By: Renewed_faith

we let our own legal residents of America starve to death on our streets and in our homes because we give money to others who don't even learn our language?

That is not happening. Put a fire to that strawman. Get rid of him. shew shew

Actually I guess I was replying to this particular post, when I found that little clip.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Originally Posted By: Shane

We do need to protect civil rights. If that means raising taxes, then we raise taxes. Starving people to death because they don't speak English is just not right. I am all about love. I am all about freedom. I just want to wrap my arms around people and tell them how much they are appreciated. pals I just can't see starving someone to death because they don't speak English.

That is worth posting again. Civil rights are very important.

Shane, the illegal immigrants get more benefits and money than I do as an American citizen. It pays to be Hispanic and have hordes of children, and be illegal aliens here in the US.

[Outta Here]

I think Shane was just talking about the use of a 'strawman' argument in this thread...not that he believes even for one second that there aren't hungry, homeless people in the US.

(I could be wrong.)

[Bravus]

So, we're up to 14 pages of rampant xenophobia now...

What do we think about the topic question? I've seen lots of discussion of America, and none of heaven.

Do we think everyone - all of us immigrants, come to think of it - is going to speak English in Heaven? Is that the underlying assumption? I kinda doubt it...

And how are people going to think and live in a world with no shortages? Where there's no poverty, and therefore no wealth? So much energy seems to go into protecting what's 'mine'... But heaven is the ultimate socialist paradise: to each according to his/her need.

Maybe this last thought needs a new thread, but I do think it'd be worthwhile spending a little time on the 'what language will we speak in Heaven?' question.

[phkrause]

So, we're up to 14 pages of rampant xenophobia now...

What do we think about the topic question? I've seen lots of discussion of America, and none of heaven.

Do we think everyone - all of us immigrants, come to think of it - is going to speak English in Heaven? Is that the underlying assumption? I kinda doubt it...

And how are people going to think and live in a world with no shortages? Where there's no poverty, and therefore no wealth? So much energy seems to go into protecting what's 'mine'... But heaven is the ultimate socialist paradise: to each according to his/her need.

Maybe this last thought needs a new thread, but I do think it'd be worthwhile spending a little time on the 'what language will we speak in Heaven?' question.

And best of all, no stinkin politics. Thank God, AMEN. I think some will not know what to do with themselves.

[Bravus]

A big and heartfelt 'Amen' to that!

[Bravus]

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Shane, the illegal immigrants get more benefits and money than I do as an American citizen. It pays to be Hispanic and have hordes of children, and be illegal aliens here in the US.

That is plainly and simply untrue. Demonstrably so. Facts shortly.

[Bravus]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/social-security-for-immigrants-and-refugees/

Plenty more where that came from, if one is prepared to look and not just assume to worst of others.

[jasd]

>>The complete silliness of Cold-hearted conservatives want to stop this so they can pay less taxes. They would deny an immigrant civil rights so they could save 10 to 20 cents on their property taxes.<<

How weird!--that said, yeah, I want to save 10 to 20 cents on my property taxes!--even a nickle!

And how did the terminology of particular ones turn so bassackwards upon itself that

the dialectics conflate "immigrant" with illegal?

No one denies the lawful immigrant his or her "civil rights". The issue that noxiously effervesces in today's cultural dialog

turns upon the rights, privileges, and criminality of those illegals

who constitute an invasion of this land.

Methinks that Shane has too much time on his hands and that the Spanish-speaking forum ought to be reopened. [/tic]

[jasd]

>>So, we're up to 14 pages of rampant xenophobia now...<<

Xenophobia - good. Wasn't it Aussieland that was, until recently, xenopobic re Orientals - esp the Chinese? (I'd bet that we're more homogenaic than Oz)

>>What do we think about the topic question? I've seen lots of discussion of America, and none of heaven.<<

Townhall v Theology - boards.

>>Do we think everyone - all of us immigrants,<<

Jesus Christ told a parable wherein the illegal who sat down with the lawful others - was cast into outer darkness.

>>...come to think of it - is going to speak English in Heaven? Is that the underlying assumption? I kinda doubt it...<<

That is kinda like the argument proffered - that Conservatives prefer to count their pennies - whilst watching the humgry starve... yes?

>>And how are people going to think and live in a world with no shortages? Where there's no poverty, and therefore no wealth? So much energy seems to go into protecting what's 'mine'... But heaven is the ultimate socialist paradise: to each according to his/her need.<<

Yet, some will shine as the sun - while others will abide in eternal shame - needful or not. (Writ castigates the one unmindful of his or her inheritance - and calls that person - profane. This land is my inheritance - and I eschew unlawfulness - no matter its colour or the form it takes.)

>>Maybe this last thought needs a new thread, but I do think it'd be worthwhile spending a little time on the 'what language will we speak in Heaven?' question.<<

Why!--English, of course! It is the "pure language", which Holy Writ says Gd will provide. There. :)

[Bravus]

Oh, Australia has more than its share of xenophobes, I make no bones about that. And I castigate them at home as well as abroad: I'm not at all having a go at all Americans, just xenophobia. I'll call it when and where I see it.

[Renewed_faith]

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Shane, the illegal immigrants get more benefits and money than I do as an American citizen. It pays to be Hispanic and have hordes of children, and be illegal aliens here in the US.

I know this for a fact that the illegal aliens are and have been getting more help than most Americans here in the US. I have joked with my children how I should paint my skin another color, speak another language and pretend not to be American just so I could get help with everyday living.

End of my opinions on this subject as it is just how described it.

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just xenophobia

I guess that opinions are subject to others degradement and I am done with it.

SO long!

[jasd]

>>That is plainly and simply untrue. Demonstrably so. Facts shortly.<<

Umm, not so fast! We have in America - what are designated "Anchor babies".

That anchor baby, born to illegals, entitles the family to a home, to regular monie$, to food stamps, to medical care - and sometimes, an automobile and furniture and...

More anchor babies, more the benefit$. Bigger the family, bigger the benefitS.

And, it is doubtful that many here have been to such border towns such as the California town of San Ysidro. It's an experience! You would never in your life - again - see so many storefronts whose business is entirely

rental mail drops! Aieeee! chihuahua!

You ask, what are all those mail drops for?

Money makes the world go around,

The world go around,

The world go around,

Money makes the world go around,

Of that we can be sure.

Money Money Money

Money Money Money

Money Money Money ..............

[Bravus]

The right to free speech does not include the right to freedom from disagreement.

You have every right to state your opinion.

I have every right to state my different opinion.

I also have every right to bring facts and evidence that show that your opinion is based on ignorance and prejudice rather than reality.

If you're done with that, you're done with life in general, 'cos that's how it is.

[bonnie]

How weird!--that said, yeah, I want to save 10 to 20 cents on my property taxes!--even a nickle!

[bonnie]

It appears that those that come here,work hard,diligently learning what they need to know for a better life are completely opposed and disgusted by their countrymen that won't.

Are they in contempt of them?

Our neighbor three houses down has a term for them.You may call him guilty of xenophobia. He thinks they are leeches,unwilling to try and take and take.

[Dr. Shane]

Look at the people who are homeless...

[Dr. Shane]

No one denies the lawful immigrant his or her "civil rights".

Most Spanish-speaking people in the US are not illegal immigrants. Even most Spanish-speaking people in the US that cannot speak English are not illegal immigrants. Yes, what we have seen in this thread is that people do not want to provide translators for non-English speaking immigrants that are arrested with the presumption of innocence.

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: Renewed_faith

Look at the people who are homeless...

I have. They are mostly alcoholics, drug addicts and mentally ill.

Originally Posted By: Renewed_faith

homeless... there are children standing behind the last person...

I have worked with the Salvation Army and never saw any children living on the streets. If we had ever seen that we would have called the county and gotten the kids into Foster Care.

Not necessarily. And yes children are part of the homeless,

Our most active and most productive help is from a private charity. 92 cents of every dollar goes to the homeless. She has on average 100 families,325 including children at any given time.

No,she doesn't call foster care,she helps the families to get re-established.

[Dr. Shane]

We have in America - what are designated "Anchor babies".

[Dr. Shane]

I also have every right to bring facts and evidence that show that your opinion is based on ignorance and prejudice rather than reality.

It really pains me to disagree with you here, Bravus but I do think you are missing something there. I think people are afraid of immigrants mostly due to fear. They will not listen to reason because their fear will not let them. Every time they hear "press one for English" fear grips their heart.

[Dr. Shane]

yes children are part of the homeless

Not in America. In Mexico, yes. I know some cold-hearted conservatives want the US to be more like Mexico. But for now, children in the US are given shelter when their parents cannot or will not provide it.

Like many things it comes down to definitions. I was a homeless child. I slept under bridges and ate out of dumpsters. That is what most people think of when we talk about homelessness. However that is not what is considered homeless by government statistics. Any children living with their families in shelters are considered homeless. These children go to school, get medical attention and eat meals on a regular basis. Technically they are homeless but not what I call homeless.

Most of these "homeless" children are there as a result of divorce or abandonment by their fathers. They are not there because Spanish-speaking immigrants are taking all the jobs or welfare money.