Twilight Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 Quote: Judas saved? Last I checked ... his name is written in the book of Life unless you recently went to Heaven and deleted it. Really? And where is this exactly? Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Twilight Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 I have to laugh at those who claim they have 'context'. It is as varied as there are beliefs in Christianity. How many arguments do you see on this forum just on what the context is? I just sit back and laugh. And people always think they are right. THEY know the intent of the dead author. Amazing. It all goes back to what type of lense you are wearing. There are two types of lenses as I have stated. The Grace lense or the Legalism lense. That's it. You may not know it but you have either one or the other. How about the "liberal lens that thinks it is grace lens". Did you know about that lens Redwood? Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Woody Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Redwood Quote: Judas saved? Last I checked ... his name is written in the book of Life unless you recently went to Heaven and deleted it. Really? And where is this exactly? Hey ... I'm condemned to Hell ... I ought to know who has been condemned along with me. And so far ... Judas has not. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Twilight Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight perhaps stopping at romans 6:6 is also stopping too soon? Indeed it would be, if one stopped there... Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Twilight Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight Really? And where is this exactly? Hey ... I'm condemned to Hell ... I ought to know who has been condemned along with me. And so far ... Judas has not. Can you please give a straight answer Redwood? Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Woody Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Some are just unable to see. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Twilight Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight How about the "liberal lens that thinks it is grace lens". Did you know about that lens Redwood? would this be considered sarcasm and baiting? should i report it? If you feel the need to, yes, please feel free. Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand...
Moderators John317 Posted December 21, 2009 Moderators Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: John317 "The doctrine which teaches freedom, through grace, to break the law is a fatal delusion. Every transgressor of God's law is a sinner, and none can be sanctified while living in KNOWN sin. i was addressing what our focus is own. you are addressing an imaginary post. That quote is not addressing any one person in particular, nor any one post in particular. It is a quote that everyone on this thread-- including myself-- needs to keep it in mind. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators Gerr Posted December 21, 2009 Moderators Posted December 21, 2009 Quote: Judas saved? Last I checked ... his name is written in the book of Life unless you recently went to Heaven and deleted it. "While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction , that the Scripture might be fulfilled." JESUS Quote
Stewart (SDA) Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Going Back for a moment to the thought about the Book of Life... To be fair, there are thoughts like the following one that relates to the wedding feast and the wedding garment. "The guests at the gospel feast are those who profess to serve God, those whose names are written in the book of life. But not all who profess to be Christians are true disciples..." (COL 310) It seems that "profession" places a person's name in that book, but then there follows a searching, a scrutiny, to see who among "His people" are really wearing Christ's character/righteousness. Those whose names are written there, but do not have the wedding garment will have their names "blotted out". ---------------- I have personally heard someone disagree with the following, but I don't really think anyone here has disagreed with it: "Judas had never received Christ; he was not a true son of God. He had not lost something once possessed [i.e. salvation]. He had never experienced the soul cleansing, the change of character, that constitutes conversion... Judas was not chosen, because he was not obedient. He did not believe in Christ as his personal Saviour. He did not think that his character needed Christ's transforming grace." (20MR 148) Stewart. Quote
Moderators John317 Posted December 21, 2009 Moderators Posted December 21, 2009 Excellent comments, Stewart (SDA). That parable of the wedding feast is a picture of the pre-Advent Judgment. Your quote about Judas is very apropos to the discussion. The Bible makes it clear that Judas will not be saved. For one thing he wasn't born again, and Jesus Himself says that no one will see the kingdom of God without being born from above. John 3: 5. He died in a condition of being possessed by demons and had no true repentance and faith toward Christ. One verse that makes this plain is Acts 1: 25. Elsewhere Jesus Himself said that Judas was a "devil" and that he was "lost." God will not welcome "devils" into His everlasting and righteous kingdom where they would only continue the sin and rebellion that they practiced on this earth. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
teresaq Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 ...That quote is not addressing any one person in particular, nor any one post in particular. It is a quote that everyone on this thread-- including myself-- needs to keep it in mind. smile. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
teresaq Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Redwood Quote: Judas saved? Last I checked ... his name is written in the book of Life unless you recently went to Heaven and deleted it. "While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction , that the Scripture might be fulfilled." JESUS goodness!! guess we all saw that. :) Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
Moderators Gerr Posted December 21, 2009 Moderators Posted December 21, 2009 Redwood apparently doesn't have lenses (see his statements about "lenses") but I do, hence the larger script. Quote
teresaq Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Redwood apparently doesn't have lenses (see his statements about "lenses") but I do, hence the larger script. im not joining in on that, regardless of who does it. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
Moderators Gerr Posted December 21, 2009 Moderators Posted December 21, 2009 As you can see, my response was to his post, hence the larger script. Quote
teresaq Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 As you can see, my response was to his post, hence the larger script. smile. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
Robert Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Mounds of EGW qutoes John, do you are agree with the following? PC- RH PT- Advent Review and Sabbath Herald DT- 05-07-01 AT- The Great Standard of Righteousness PR- 09 Complete obedience is the only condition that meets the requirement of the law. “God is not a man, that He should lie.” God’s law is the rule of His government. He says, “This do, and thou shalt live.” But to the disobedient He says, “Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things written in the book of the law to do them.” “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” God has given the promise that those who obey His law will be rewarded, not only in the present life, but in the life to come. He declares just as decidedly that those who do not obey His requirements shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on them. By lips that never lie the obedient are blessed, and the disobedient are pronounced guilty. Quote
Robert Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Quote: The disciples were saved...even Judas. Their names were written in heaven.... Judas saved? Yes, Judas was saved.... Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted December 21, 2009 Moderators Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo Quote: The disciples were saved...even Judas. Their names were written in heaven.... Judas saved? Yes, Judas was saved.... Prove it. Quote
Robert Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert Then you can kiss heaven goodbye.... Do you fully agree with the following statement: PC- RH PT- Advent Review and Sabbath Herald DT- 05-07-01 AT- The Great Standard of Righteousness PR- 09 Complete obedience is the only condition that meets the requirement of the law. “God is not a man' date=' that He should lie.” God’s law is the rule of His government. He says, “This do, and thou shalt live.” But to the disobedient He says, “Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things written in the book of the law to do them.” “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” God has given the promise that those who obey His law will be rewarded, not only in the present life, but in the life to come. He declares just as decidedly that those who do not obey His requirements shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on them. By lips that never lie the obedient are blessed, and the disobedient are pronounced guilty. [/quote'] A more devastating point refuting Robert's argument can hardly be imagined - than is found in his own quote! in Christ, Bob I'm sorry, did you agree with her???? Quote
Robert Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 It is by continual surrender of the will, by continual obedience, that the blessing of justification is retained Pure legalism.... Quote
pnattmbtc Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 I'm not sure but that those who said that Judas was saved might mean that he would have been saved had he not vetoed what God had done for him by rejecting Christ. Or they might mean that he was saved in a corporate sense. I'm not sure; I'm just throwing out a couple of possibilities. I'm not sure that they're saying that Judas will be in heaven. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God.
Robert Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert Au contrare.... Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! [/quote'] You need to keep on reading Robert... You have stopped too soon. :-) No...! The issue is, is the man of Roman's 7 under the curse or is there no condemnation to those who have accepted the truth as it is "in Christ" even though they fail at maturity? The latter.... Quote
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